[kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band

[jon chapman]

Killing Joke, we ken have never been INDUSTRIAL , I don't even listen to shit like that. Journos fault or Ministrys fault ???  
 
 

 
> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 19:22:15 +0100
> From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
> 
> I agree, it wouldn't be. But there is a clear conceptual line between Neubauten, Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire, SPK et al and Skinny Puppy, KMFDM, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails. It isn't exactly a stretch to posit an evolving concept behind these acts.
> 
> On Sat, 25/4/15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
>  To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>  Date: Saturday, 25 April, 2015, 19:14
>  
>  Well, yes and no. The
>  very term "Industrial" comes with specific
>  connotations regarding instrumentation. If Skinny Puppy
>  recorded an album on acoustic guitars, it would not be
>  industrial. 
>  
>  Again,
>  regardless, it has nothing to do with Killing Joke. 
>  
>  Alex in NYC 
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  
>  > On Apr 25, 2015, at 1:26
>  PM, Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
>  wrote:
>  > 
>  > That's
>  what industrial was. Music trends evolve and change...
>  > 
>  > On Sat, 25/4/15,
>  Peter Moltesen <sneakypete at uwclub.net>
>  wrote:
>  > 
>  > Subject:
>  Re: [kj] Killing Joke is not an Industrial band
>  > To: "'A list about all things
>  Killing Joke (the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>
>  > Date: Saturday, 25 April, 2015, 18:10
>  > 
>  > For me, Industrial
>  might
>  > include Throbbing Gristle &
>  SPK and perhaps the likes of
>  > some of
>  the more experimental Krautrock groups (perhaps the
>  > likes of Faust, some Kraftwerk, Conrad
>  Schnitzler and
>  > Einsturzende Neubaten),
>  but that’s about it!!
>  > 
>  > Shouty goth / metal with or
>  > without drum machines and / or synths does
>  not equal
>  > Industrial music
>  > 
>  > 
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
>  > On Behalf Of Alexander Smith
>  > Sent: 25 April
>  > 2015
>  15:50
>  > To: A list about all things
>  > Killing Joke (the band!)
>  > Subject: [kj]
>  > Killing
>  Joke is not an Industrial band
>  > 
>  > I’m gong to try to revive discussions
>  here,
>  > as most of the KJ groups on
>  Facebook are public, and I
>  > don’t
>  necessarily want to trouble my non-Kj-addicted
>  > friends with my Joke-related concerns
>  (more than I already
>  > do). 
>  > 
>  > I’m sure
>  we’ve
>  > addressed this at various
>  points in the past, but why are
>  > Killing
>  Joke ever cited as “industrial”?
>  >
>  
>  > Maybe sensibility-wise they
>  > have something in common, but when it
>  comes to the signature
>  > trappings of all
>  things Industrial — whether your
>  >
>  definition of same stems from originators like Throbbing
>  > Gristle, Neubauten and Cabaret Voltaire or
>  laughable
>  > latter-day dinks who wear
>  space goggles and black fishnet
>  >
>  stockings in your local shopping mall — Killing Joke
>  have
>  > never really strayed from
>  guitar/bass/drums/keyboards. No
>  > banging
>  on metal or pile-drivers of clinky-clanky things at
>  > all.
>  > 
>  > I mean, there are
>  >
>  assuredly elements of metal and punk (and, for that
>  matter,
>  > traces of reggae and disco ) in
>  the actual *sound* of the
>  > band, but I
>  never had seen how they’ve been qualified as
>  > Industrial. Killing Joke are no more an
>  industrial band than
>  > Public Image Ltd.
>  are/were.
>  > 
>  > Of
>  course, loads of industrial bands have
>  >
>  ripped Killing Joke off (hello, Ministry, NIN et al.),
>  but
>  > that doesn’t make the `Joke
>  industrial.
>  > 
>  > At
>  all.
>  > 
>  > No it
>  doesn’t.
>  > 
>  > Weigh
>  in, haters.
>  > 
>  > Alex
>  in NYC
>  >
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