[kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:

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Funnily enough, I have very fond memories of the Brighter tour.  The line-up was extraordinarily tight, and although the studio releases were on the path that would soon lead to Outside The Gate, the live sound was the aggressive stomp that we know and love.



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From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
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Indeed. Wish I'd been at the BTATS shows too, just to be able to say I
heard those songs live. You can get a bit of a sense for what the
original album would have sounded like with the YouTube clips, anyway.
Agree with Ade that Democracy demos would be interesting. Perhaps we
could start a Kickstarter campaign going to pay Youth the £150,000 or
so to undo the damage?

'Aeon' isn't a bad song but I'd be lying if I said I listened to it a
lot. Appropriately named as it seems to last an eternity. 'Absent
Friends' captures the sentiment well but I don't listen to KJ for that
particular sweet sorrow. Generally I listen to them because it's the
music that most articulately expresses the insanely fucked-up nature
of the world we live in, but sometimes just because they're damn good
tunes.

On 7/19/14, jpwhkj at aol.com <jpwhkj at aol.com> wrote:
> Still.  Wish I'd been there!
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> From: jpwhkj <jpwhkj at aol.com>
> To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:43
> Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
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> And didn't Jaz have a cold?  Aeon's here:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aDKPOtHhNo
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> ...and the rest of it is available on youtube.
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> The sound is pretty muddy, and Jaz is growling a bit...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:33
> Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
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> Yes, that rings a bell, Jamie.
>
> We had a bootleg from Amsterdam '96 gig on the old site. Don't have it
> anymore but it must be knocking around someone. Jon will probably have
> it. Never gave it much of a listen because the quality wasn't great
> and they were obviously stoned out of their minds because the playing
> wasn't very good either, which is really rare for them. But I do
> recall it sounded different so, yes, the loops could have been in.
>
> On 7/18/14, Jamie Hewson <fatpotanga at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agreed. I think I remember him saying he wrote and played all his parts
>> high up to complement them but youth took them out to make it more US
>> radio
>> friendly?
>>
>> Am I right in believing that the few live shows for Democracy had the
>> loops?
>> I seem to remember someone on here saying as much but I may be wrong.
>> Would love to hear a version with them back in but it'll never happen.
>>
>> On Friday, July 18, 2014, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Geordie said in some video interview online that originally the
>>> Democracy album had lots of dance loops in the mixes (not unlike the
>>> previous album, obviously) and that his guitar parts were written to
>>> complement them. Youth then removed the dance loops late in the
>>> production process but there was no opportunity for Geordie to
>>> rerecord his guitars.
>>>
>>> I believe Savage Freedom was an exception to this and the mix on the
>>> album is Geordie's. It's the only song from the album that I listen to
>>> on a regular basis.
>>>
>>> I do have a lot of respect for Youth as a producer but that was not
>>> his finest hour.
>>>
>>> On 7/18/14, jpwhkj at aol.com <javascript:;> <jpwhkj at aol.com
>>> <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Yep, it's far from being KJ's worst effort.  I was disappointed at the
>>> time,
>>> > partly because my expectations were high after Pandemonium, and partly
>>> > because the tour fizzled out.  And Geordie's criticism is probably
>>> fair...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'd love to see some of the tracks live... Aeon especially.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jamie
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