[kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:

[Brendan Quinn]

"Generally I listen to them because it's the music that most articulately
expresses the insanely fucked-up nature of the world we live in"

I tried to get that across once by whipping out the line "Killing Joke is
the sound of the earth vomiting". Hard to pull off a statement like that
unless you have a voice like James Earl Jones, or you look like Rasputin or
something.

Talking about over the top artists, this is amusing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUD7rmHartE 


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From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Rangecroft
Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2014 12:59 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:

Indeed. Wish I'd been at the BTATS shows too, just to be able to say I heard
those songs live. You can get a bit of a sense for what the original album
would have sounded like with the YouTube clips, anyway.
Agree with Ade that Democracy demos would be interesting. Perhaps we could
start a Kickstarter campaign going to pay Youth the £150,000 or so to undo
the damage?

'Aeon' isn't a bad song but I'd be lying if I said I listened to it a lot.
Appropriately named as it seems to last an eternity. 'Absent Friends'
captures the sentiment well but I don't listen to KJ for that particular
sweet sorrow. Generally I listen to them because it's the music that most
articulately expresses the insanely fucked-up nature of the world we live
in, but sometimes just because they're damn good tunes.

On 7/19/14, jpwhkj at aol.com <jpwhkj at aol.com> wrote:
> Still.  Wish I'd been there!
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> From: jpwhkj <jpwhkj at aol.com>
> To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:43
> Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
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> And didn't Jaz have a cold?  Aeon's here:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aDKPOtHhNo
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> ...and the rest of it is available on youtube.
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> The sound is pretty muddy, and Jaz is growling a bit...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:33
> Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
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> Yes, that rings a bell, Jamie.
>
> We had a bootleg from Amsterdam '96 gig on the old site. Don't have it 
> anymore but it must be knocking around someone. Jon will probably have 
> it. Never gave it much of a listen because the quality wasn't great 
> and they were obviously stoned out of their minds because the playing 
> wasn't very good either, which is really rare for them. But I do 
> recall it sounded different so, yes, the loops could have been in.
>
> On 7/18/14, Jamie Hewson <fatpotanga at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agreed. I think I remember him saying he wrote and played all his 
>> parts high up to complement them but youth took them out to make it 
>> more US radio friendly?
>>
>> Am I right in believing that the few live shows for Democracy had the 
>> loops?
>> I seem to remember someone on here saying as much but I may be wrong.
>> Would love to hear a version with them back in but it'll never happen.
>>
>> On Friday, July 18, 2014, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Geordie said in some video interview online that originally the 
>>> Democracy album had lots of dance loops in the mixes (not unlike the 
>>> previous album, obviously) and that his guitar parts were written to 
>>> complement them. Youth then removed the dance loops late in the 
>>> production process but there was no opportunity for Geordie to 
>>> rerecord his guitars.
>>>
>>> I believe Savage Freedom was an exception to this and the mix on the 
>>> album is Geordie's. It's the only song from the album that I listen 
>>> to on a regular basis.
>>>
>>> I do have a lot of respect for Youth as a producer but that was not 
>>> his finest hour.
>>>
>>> On 7/18/14, jpwhkj at aol.com <javascript:;> <jpwhkj at aol.com 
>>> <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Yep, it's far from being KJ's worst effort.  I was disappointed at 
>>> > the
>>> time,
>>> > partly because my expectations were high after Pandemonium, and 
>>> > partly because the tour fizzled out.  And Geordie's criticism is 
>>> > probably
>>> fair...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'd love to see some of the tracks live... Aeon especially.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jamie
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