[kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:

Jamie Hewson fatpotanga at gmail.com
Fri Jul 18 16:06:14 EDT 2014 

Agreed. I think I remember him saying he wrote and played all his parts
high up to complement them but youth took them out to make it more US radio
friendly?

Am I right in believing that the few live shows for Democracy had the
loops?
I seem to remember someone on here saying as much but I may be wrong.
Would love to hear a version with them back in but it'll never happen.

On Friday, July 18, 2014, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:

> Geordie said in some video interview online that originally the
> Democracy album had lots of dance loops in the mixes (not unlike the
> previous album, obviously) and that his guitar parts were written to
> complement them. Youth then removed the dance loops late in the
> production process but there was no opportunity for Geordie to
> rerecord his guitars.
>
> I believe Savage Freedom was an exception to this and the mix on the
> album is Geordie's. It's the only song from the album that I listen to
> on a regular basis.
>
> I do have a lot of respect for Youth as a producer but that was not
> his finest hour.
>
> On 7/18/14, jpwhkj at aol.com <javascript:;> <jpwhkj at aol.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > Yep, it's far from being KJ's worst effort.  I was disappointed at the
> time,
> > partly because my expectations were high after Pandemonium, and partly
> > because the tour fizzled out.  And Geordie's criticism is probably
> fair...
> >
> >
> > I'd love to see some of the tracks live... Aeon especially.
> >
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz <javascript:;>>
> > To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
> > <gathering at misera.net <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 6:54
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
> >
> >
> > Democracy isn't a favourite album, but it's not wholly shite. Savage
> Freedom
> > is
> > one of my favourite KJ songs. Sums up the Killing Joke ethos & pathos
> > perfectly.
> > I'd soil my pantaloons for an album of songs like it.
> >
> > Killing Joke - Savage Freedom
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuR8046V4hw>
> >
> > Geordie reckons Youth munted the production - drowned out his strings.
> Let's
> >
> > hear a remastered / reproduced version?
> >
> > bq
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Jim
> > Harper
> > Sent: Friday, 18 July 2014 3:38 a.m.
> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
> >
> > I loved the mixture of punishing KJ riffs with techno/ambient elements. I
> > was a
> > big fan of the 90s ambient scene (William Orbit was amazing), so I was
> > pretty
> > happy to find an album that straddled the worlds of ambient and metal.
> >
> > Obviously Democracy sucked. I can support the idea of transforming the
> > band's
> > sound with each album, but that should be part of the recording process,
> not
> > a
> > last-minute stab at fucking about with a finished album. I would rather
> have
> >
> > heard another album in the same vein as Pandemonium; it might not have
> been
> >
> > wholly original, but at least it wouldn't have been wholly shite either.
> >
> > EDAVRE and Pandemonium saw the band getting a lot of new publicity and
> fame
> > with
> > a new generation of fans. Democracy (and their own self-destructive
> > tendencies)
> > pretty much killed that off, leaving us with another protracted hiatus.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
> > NOW AVAILABLE: Flowers From Hell: The Modern Japanese Horror Film, by Jim
> > Harper
> > (Noir Publishing).
> >
> > "Fascinating overview of the Japanese horror boom... Comprehensive,
> in-depth
> > and
> > slickly presented."- DVD Monthly.
> >
> > Available from Noir Publishing, Amazon.co.uk, Waterstones and all good
> > bookstores.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Thu, 17/7/14, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >
> >  Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
> >  To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net <javascript:;>>
> >  Date: Thursday, 17 July, 2014, 12:23
> >
> >  #yiv0787345728
> >  #yiv0787345728 --
> >  .yiv0787345728hmmessage P
> >  {
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> > font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}
> >  #yiv0787345728 Youth's attempts in the 90s to inject dance  music into
> KJ,
> >
> > mainly Pandemonium I suppose, were a bit lame  and smacked of being
> > desperate.
> > The early 90s must have been a  difficult period for KJ, like other
> > post-punkers. Throughout  the 80s they were strongly associated with the
> > post-punk/alternative scene, which had an easy-to-find  audience through
> the
> > NME
> > and Melody Maker - pop papers  which were equally entrenched in the
> > alternative
> > genre.  But in the  late 80s and early 90s the aforementioned
> publications
> >
> > brushed aside The Cult, Mission and Jesus & MC from the  front cover and
> > replaced them with dance/indie bands like  Happy Mondays, Stone Roses and
> > PWEI.
> > Stalwart bands from the  alternative scene had a bit of an identity
> crisis
> > as
> > their  fans started popping Es and listening to something else.
> >  Even U2 lost their way here until coming back with the funky  sounding
> > 'Achtung
> > Baby'. Jesus & MC had a go at  the dance thing with 'Blues from a gun'.
> The
> > Cult
> > couldn't dance if they tried so went full-on hard  rock.
> >  It might have
> >  been an accident, but KJ had a crack at metal with  'Dirt...' and found
> a
> > bit
> > of an audience when metal  rags like Kerrang started paying attention.
> But
> > then
> > Youth  came back onboard and, metaphorically, dished out the Es to  Jaz
> and
> >
> > Geordie resulting in Pandemonium.
> >  Pandemonium is a great album
> >  despite, rather than because of, the dancey excursions of  Youth.
> >  KJ had done the
> >  earlier dance thing - i.e disco/funk - very well in 1980  because they
> were
> >
> > connected with that scene. But I can't  imagine Jaz and Geordie were
> > scouring
> > the M25 c1989 looking  for raves and trying to get sorted for Es and
> whizz.
> > I
> > expect Youth was, but he was probably driving the wrong way  around the
> > motorway, stoned, and dealing with oncoming  traffic.
> >  Ha-ha. Youth
> >  gets such a hard time on the Gathering sometimes, but  let's just remind
> > ourselves: he's  brilliant!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  > From:
> >  rob.moss at gmx.com <javascript:;>
> >  > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014
> >  19:47:31 +0100
> >  > To:
> >  gathering at misera.net <javascript:;>
> >  > Subject: Re: [kj]
> >  Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
> >  >
> >  > Can't polish a
> >  turd!!!!
> >  >
> >  > > On
> >  16 Jul 2014, at 19:25, Nick Scott
> >  <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > > If youth is such a brilliant
> >  producer, why on earth has his production
> >  > > work on KJ albums been so sketchy!
> >  > >
> >  > >> On 16
> >  July 2014 17:39, fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> >  wrote:
> >  > >> Ha! That's a great
> >  claim to fame!
> >  > >>
> >  > >>
> >  > >> On
> >  16 Jul 2014, at 17:17, Tabazan <tabazan at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> >  wrote:
> >  > >>
> >  >
> >  >> I poured a pint over Dave Gilmour in a pub once . .
> >  by mistake I hasten to
> >  > >> add! He
> >  was very nice about it (I was rather drunk)
> >  > >>
> >  > >>
> >
> >  > >>
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