[kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:

Fri Jul 18 01:45:20 EDT 2014

Democracy isn't a favourite album, but it's not wholly shite. Savage Freedom is one of my favourite KJ songs. Sums up the Killing Joke ethos & pathos perfectly. I'd soil my pantaloons for an album of songs like it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuR8046V4hw

Geordie reckons Youth munted the production - drowned out his strings. Let's hear a remastered / reproduced version? 

bq

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From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Jim Harper
Sent: Friday, 18 July 2014 3:38 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:

I loved the mixture of punishing KJ riffs with techno/ambient elements. I was a big fan of the 90s ambient scene (William Orbit was amazing), so I was pretty happy to find an album that straddled the worlds of ambient and metal.

Obviously Democracy sucked. I can support the idea of transforming the band's sound with each album, but that should be part of the recording process, not a last-minute stab at fucking about with a finished album. I would rather have heard another album in the same vein as Pandemonium; it might not have been wholly original, but at least it wouldn't have been wholly shite either.

EDAVRE and Pandemonium saw the band getting a lot of new publicity and fame with a new generation of fans. Democracy (and their own self-destructive tendencies) pretty much killed that off, leaving us with another protracted hiatus.

Jim.

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On Thu, 17/7/14, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [kj] Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
 To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
 Date: Thursday, 17 July, 2014, 12:23

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 #yiv0787345728 Youth's attempts in the 90s to inject dance  music into KJ, mainly Pandemonium I suppose, were a bit lame  and smacked of being desperate.  The early 90s must have been a  difficult period for KJ, like other post-punkers. Throughout  the 80s they were strongly associated with the  post-punk/alternative scene, which had an easy-to-find  audience through the NME and Melody Maker – pop papers  which were equally entrenched in the alternative  genre.  But in the  late 80s and early 90s the aforementioned publications  brushed aside The Cult, Mission and Jesus & MC from the  front cover and replaced them with dance/indie bands like  Happy Mondays, Stone Roses and PWEI. Stalwart bands from the  alternative scene had a bit of an identity crisis as their  fans started popping Es and listening to something else.
 Even U2 lost their way here until coming back with the funky  sounding 'Achtung Baby'. Jesus & MC had a go at  the dance thing with 'Blues from a gun'. The Cult  couldn't dance if they tried so went full-on hard  rock.
 It might have
 been an accident, but KJ had a crack at metal with  'Dirt...' and found a bit of an audience when metal  rags like Kerrang started paying attention. But then Youth  came back onboard and, metaphorically, dished out the Es to  Jaz and Geordie resulting in Pandemonium.
 Pandemonium is a great album
 despite, rather than because of, the dancey excursions of  Youth.
 KJ had done the
 earlier dance thing – i.e disco/funk – very well in 1980  because they were connected with that scene. But I can't  imagine Jaz and Geordie were scouring the M25 c1989 looking  for raves and trying to get sorted for Es and whizz. I  expect Youth was, but he was probably driving the wrong way  around the motorway, stoned, and dealing with oncoming  traffic.
 Ha-ha. Youth
 gets such a hard time on the Gathering sometimes, but  let's just remind ourselves: he's  brilliant! 

 > From:
 rob.moss at gmx.com
 > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014
 19:47:31 +0100
 > To:
 gathering at misera.net
 > Subject: Re: [kj]
 Pink Floyd and Two-Degrees of Killing Joke:
 > 
 > Can't polish a
 turd!!!!
 > 
 > > On
 16 Jul 2014, at 19:25, Nick Scott
 <npscott at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
 >
 > 
 > > If youth is such a brilliant
 producer, why on earth has his production
 > > work on KJ albums been so sketchy!
 > > 
 > >> On 16
 July 2014 17:39, fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 > >> Ha! That’s a great
 claim to fame!
 > >> 
 > >> 
 > >> On
 16 Jul 2014, at 17:17, Tabazan <tabazan at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 > >> 
 >
 >> I poured a pint over Dave Gilmour in a pub once . .
 by mistake I hasten to
 > >> add! He
 was very nice about it (I was rather drunk)
 > >> 
 > >>

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