[kj] Kerrang! (Kerrcrap!) Review of KJ Forum gig

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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:


> Don't get me wrong. Raven was motivated by the cash. Jaz's book references

> it and I have personal experience of it. But they are all guilty of fucking

> up the band. Youth and his early burn out, Jaz and his walk offs, Geordie

> and his refusal to tour and apply himself. Big Paul. Dunno. I suppose nose

> smashing counts for something!

>

> Singling Raven out is too easy and he's not here to defend himself.

>




the way most of us would 'single him out' would be highly positive!

=)






>

> He brought a tight style and a malevolence to proceedings. He had a very

> dark side that he struggled to suppress.  Youth is loose and fluid in his

> style and he is definitely a huge musical force. Old hippy that he is!

>

> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:33, adrianwason at btinternet.com wrote:

>

> when i first met Jaz at that Holland Park Lecture i thought he had a bad

> attitude to Raven, he said bung him(Raven) £XGrand and he'll be here.

>

> That suprised me even after the OTG episode

>

> Raven had a double page in MM/NME/Sounds Fuck me if i can remember but

> there was a photo of Raven with a pool ball ?in his hand-saying he would

> step on Jaz

>

> So they were still high profile in the late 80s when they were doing fuc

> all

>

>

> --- On *Wed, 10/4/13, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>* wrote:

>

>

> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang! (Kerrcrap!) Review of KJ Forum gig

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <

> gathering at misera.net>

> Date: Wednesday, 10 April, 2013, 22:09

>

>  Awwww c'mon Jon.

> They've all been twats at one time.

>

> On 10 Apr 2013, at 21:39, jon chapman <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jonniespatula@hotmail.co.uk>>

> wrote:

>

>

> Youth has always been better in my book, he never let the band down.Unlike

> Raven.

>

>

>

>

>

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> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:29:34 +0100

> From: adrianwason at btinternet.com<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=adrianwason@btinternet.com>

> To: vassifer at earthlink.net<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vassifer@earthlink.net>;

> gathering at misera.net<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gathering@misera.net>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang! (Kerrcrap!) Review of KJ Forum gig

>

>   and me I have the greatest respect for Youth.

> Whenever Raven came on stage though he would immediately find some sort of

> confrontation with someone in the mosh, it really did add an edge.

> less so after he'd been with muppettry and shitface

>

> --- On *Wed, 10/4/13, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vassifer@earthlink.net>

> >* wrote:

>

>

> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vassifer@earthlink.net>

> >

> Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang! (Kerrcrap!) Review of KJ Forum gig

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <

> gathering at misera.net<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gathering@misera.net>>,

> "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gathering@misera.net>

> >

> Date: Wednesday, 10 April, 2013, 20:56

>

>

> I do miss the live presence of Raven. I have nothing but the greatest

> respect for Youth, but Raven seemed to give proceedings an extra boot

> through the uprights. Miss that.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: adrianwason at btinternet.com<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=adrianwason@btinternet.com>

> Sent: Apr 10, 2013 3:46 PM

> To: Alex Smith , "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang! (Kerrcrap!) Review of KJ Forum gig

>

>   was it Jaz who said that the most striking thing about a killing joke

> gig was the reaction of the crowd to their music-or words to that effect...

> in the mosh pit this has got more muted every year and at its worst at the

> Forum gig.

> taking Rob's point if I had written songs like darkness before

> dawn/struggle/nightime/solitude/termite mound/for the love of the

> masses/judas goat/universe b/fresh fever/depth charge/colony

> collapse/poleshift etc -i would want to play these every night, but to my

> knowledge they've never even played 4 of these songs live.

>

> To me now Killing Joke have become 2 bands-the studio band peerless

> writing songs like colony collapse/poleshift in their 33rd? year and after

> the singles tour the live band which needs a nudge.

>

> I thought the gig I saw on the 2012 tour in Bristol was really good, some

> of the gigs on the Absolute Dissent tour were good such as the Fleece and

> Rock City but you have to go back to 2005 in my opinion to say that they

> were really on it with Raven and Benny.

>

> I'd like to see Jah Wobble play gigs with Killing Joke. The only time I've

> seen him it blew my mind at the Astoria 2 playing for the Damage Manual.Ok

> he did spend most of the gig sitting on a sofa with his back to the

> audience but he added an extra dimension which made up for that Scottish

> Wanker

>

>

>

>

> --- On *Wed, 10/4/13, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vassifer@earthlink.net>

> >* wrote:

>

>

> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vassifer@earthlink.net>

> >

> Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang! (Kerrcrap!) Review of KJ Forum gig

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <

> gathering at misera.net<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gathering@misera.net>>,

> "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gathering@misera.net>

> >

> Date: Wednesday, 10 April, 2013, 18:52

>

>

> I get the feeling "Asteroid" would be a lot of fun to play ... but i think

> it could stand to be retired for a little while (just my opinion, mind you).

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: fatpotanga

> Sent: Apr 10, 2013 1:49 PM

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>

>  On 10 Apr 2013, at 16:21, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net<http://uk.mc874.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vassifer%40earthlink.net>>

> wrote:

>

>

> "This World Hell" is a bad song. There, i said it.

>

>

>  Couldn't agree more, shame as there's that really great bit in it.

> I wonder if they just like playing it. I can imagine it being fun to play.

>

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