[kj] FW: punk

[Paul Wady]

So lets see?
Strummer - Rockabiliy or what?

Vanian - always said he had more in common with camp, Hammer 50/60's horror films than 'punk' ?!?!

Simonon - Record companies idea??? (sources?)
Jones - Told my mate at the Carbon Casino gigs he learned guitar by listening to and copying the Rolling Stones.  Very punk...
Alex is quite right.  We also forget that the whole bloody idea was to do your own thing and be original.  
Still listening to Jello Biafra, a great man.  His punk context was deeply USA - culture centered which was why it stands to this day.  Was it the UK that Johnny Thunders died in?  Tony James and Magenta Devine where forever walking him around their London mews living room years ago, saving him from lethal O/D's apparently.  
There you are - hands across the ocean?
Last word goes to the Sex Pistols, on film on their abortive USA tour.  Note the bloke who got hit on the head by Sid's bass.  Transatlantic punk community spirit.  It's still going on here.  We're all fighting.

So anarchy to all - and bugger off you FOREIGNERS!!!  GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.  (When did a president jump out of a helicopter, eh?  Heh. x)


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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 14:45:15 -0700
From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

GREAT, we outsourced that too. 


 Blessed are the Cracked for   they let in the Light,    others all are just a..      'nother brick in the Wall
        From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
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 Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 6:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [kj] punk
   


I can't believe this is still going.
Rob Moss re-invoked it as a jest, .... and it's predictably taken off again.
Listen, ask one of your justifiably-revered stalwarts of British punk -- Strummer, Vanian, Simonon, Jones, etc. etc. pick one -- and invariably *BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION* they'll say that the Yanks started it. YES, the Brits *TOOK IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND MADE IT THEIR OWN*, ..... but it started in the States.
I'm not making it up.

Alex in NYC 


On Sep 7, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee wrote:The Dolls date to 1971 and the Stooges to 1967. This discussion doesn't even take into account the US garage band scene of the 1960's: Seeds, Standells, Sonics, etc. Check out Lenny Kaye's "Nuggets" series for further enlightenment.
 
It is well documented that the UK punk scene was established after exposure to existing American (read: NYC) punks, i.e Ramones first gig at the Roundhouse in July '76 and Malcolm McLaren's trip to NYC in '72 where he met the NY Dolls and where he copped the ripped t-shirt and safety pin look from Richard Hell. McLaren returned to the UK in 1975, opened the "SEX" boutique and applied his learnings to the
 exploitation of the Sex Pistols. The majority of early UK punks were either someone who saw the Sex Pistols/Buzzcocks in a university lunchroom or pub rockers with new haircuts, a la Joe Strummer.
 
to wit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvDeee14dEA
 
 
 
 
From: folk.devil at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:55:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

The Saints formed in 1975. That puts them chronologically next to the Dolls. They were Australian. What about Bolan, or
 the UK Garage bands of the early 70s...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8685349%40N07/
 
From: paulwady at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:34:44 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] punk


>From my previous email: 


1 - The very term PUNK was an AMERICANISM in the 1970's.  It was adopted by UK people around that time.  Even then lets face it, people still don't use it in
 Blighty for its original meaning today.  They didn't then?  It is entirely associated with a style from the late 70/s early 80/s best time of all for crude, sincere rock music.
 
2 - There was this band called the New York Dolls.  Assume everyone here does not know them on account of Morrissey running their UK fanclub, and thus everyones kept a distance...what difference does it make??
 
3 - James Osterberg.  Like anyone here needs to know what pseudonym he resides on the UK's bedroom walls under?  (Not forgetting Scottish trainspotters...)
 
4 - Eddy and the Hot Rods.  Okay okay, sorry sorry.  But I had to remind y'all just how bad things where then.  WE HAD THE ****ING OSMONDS ON THE RADIO...ON TOP OF THE POPS...TV SPECIALS...LOOK IN AND THE
 MAGAZINES AND THE PAPERS...  This was surely the closest our generation ever got to living through the Blitz?  It was hell in there.  Hell.  You'd walk down the road and your contemporaries and those a bit older had FLARES and MULLETTS.  Me?  I still have flashbacks.  (Wake up in the middle of the night screaming CRAZY HORSES!!!  WAAAH!  WAAH!  So America does have a lot to answer for.  Salt Lake City - capitol of trauma etc).
 
 
I am very sorry to bring up the things we'd all rather forget.  (Donnie.  Marie.  Jesus....)  But the Sex Pistols did it their way, and we all love them for it.  They did not invent it but good god did they do it brilliantly.  Even the Rolling Stones were described as a "Dartford Delta Blues band" recently.  The Beatles were surely partially due to their living in a
 transatlantic seaport?  Sailors selling the lp's they'd picked up in the USA you see?  
 
So...they gave it to us...and we improved it and sold it back to them?  Tee hee.  x







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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 16:35:19 +1200
Subject: Re: [kj] punk

Okay, are we all agreed on Kyuss, yeah? Anyone NOT like Kyuss…? Seriously? Okay let’s just put an album on…. NO MAN!!! No, fuck’s sake, just put an alb- No man it was my turn tu- Fuckin, just put a FUCKIN album on man Fuckin not Soundga- What?! Fuckin….why not? It’s fuckin awes- NOT FUCKING SOUNDGARDEN, MAAAAAN!!!!! O-KAY?!?!?!?!
Jesus.What.EVER. From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 1:52 p.m.
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Subject: Re: [kj] punk > ..That was the Chinese... Nah, that was Democracy, not Punk Canada.   Blessed are the Cracked for   they let in the Light,    others all are just a..      'nother brick in the Wall From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
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Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] punk That was the Chinese mate. Sorry. 

On 6 Sep 2012, at 18:32, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:The UK invented British punk?
 
Given this stunning logic, I would like to congratulate Canada for inventing
 "Canadian punk."
 
 

  -----Original Message----- 
From: Olly 
Sent: Sep 6, 2012 10:08 AM 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Subject: Re: [kj] punk 



"However, the UK did invent punk"

The *FUCK* it did.

Alex in NYC

The UK DID invent British Punk, which is far superior to US Punk ;)



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