[kj] punk

[Alexander Smith]

I can't believe this is still going.

Rob Moss re-invoked it as a jest, .... and it's predictably taken off  
again.

Listen, ask one of your justifiably-revered stalwarts of British punk  
-- Strummer, Vanian, Simonon, Jones, etc. etc. pick one -- and  
invariably *BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION* they'll say that the Yanks started  
it. YES, the Brits *TOOK IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND MADE IT THEIR  
OWN*, ..... but it started in the States.

I'm not making it up.


Alex in NYC



On Sep 7, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Rheinhold Squeegee wrote:


> The Dolls date to 1971 and the Stooges to 1967. This discussion  

> doesn't even take into account the US garage band scene of the  

> 1960's: Seeds, Standells, Sonics, etc. Check out Lenny Kaye's  

> "Nuggets" series for further enlightenment.

>

> It is well documented that the UK punk scene was established after  

> exposure to existing American (read: NYC) punks, i.e Ramones first  

> gig at the Roundhouse in July '76 and Malcolm McLaren's trip to NYC  

> in '72 where he met the NY Dolls and where he copped the ripped t- 

> shirt and safety pin look from Richard Hell. McLaren returned to the  

> UK in 1975, opened the "SEX" boutique and applied his learnings to  

> the exploitation of the Sex Pistols. The majority of early UK punks  

> were either someone who saw the Sex Pistols/Buzzcocks in a  

> university lunchroom or pub rockers with new haircuts, a la Joe  

> Strummer.

>

> to wit:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvDeee14dEA

>

>

>

>

> From: folk.devil at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:55:58 -0700

> Subject: Re: [kj] punk

>

> The Saints formed in 1975. That puts them chronologically next to  

> the Dolls. They were Australian. What about Bolan, or the UK Garage  

> bands of the early 70s...

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8685349@N07/

>

> From: paulwady at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:34:44 +0100

> Subject: Re: [kj] punk

>

> From my previous email:

>

> 1 - The very term PUNK was an AMERICANISM in the 1970's.  It was  

> adopted by UK people around that time.  Even then lets face it,  

> people still don't use it in Blighty for its original meaning  

> today.  They didn't then?  It is entirely associated with a style  

> from the late 70/s early 80/s best time of all for crude, sincere  

> rock music.

>

> 2 - There was this band called the New York Dolls.  Assume everyone  

> here does not know them on account of Morrissey running their UK  

> fanclub, and thus everyones kept a distance...what difference does  

> it make??

>

> 3 - James Osterberg.  Like anyone here needs to know what pseudonym  

> he resides on the UK's bedroom walls under?  (Not forgetting  

> Scottish trainspotters...)

>

> 4 - Eddy and the Hot Rods.  Okay okay, sorry sorry.  But I had to  

> remind y'all just how bad things where then.  WE HAD THE ****ING  

> OSMONDS ON THE RADIO...ON TOP OF THE POPS...TV SPECIALS...LOOK IN  

> AND THE MAGAZINES AND THE PAPERS...  This was surely the closest our  

> generation ever got to living through the Blitz?  It was hell in  

> there.  Hell.  You'd walk down the road and your contemporaries and  

> those a bit older had FLARES and MULLETTS.  Me?  I still have  

> flashbacks.  (Wake up in the middle of the night screaming CRAZY  

> HORSES!!!  WAAAH!  WAAH!  So America does have a lot to answer for.   

> Salt Lake City - capitol of trauma etc).

>

>

> I am very sorry to bring up the things we'd all rather forget.   

> (Donnie.  Marie.  Jesus....)  But the Sex Pistols did it their way,  

> and we all love them for it.  They did not invent it but good god  

> did they do it brilliantly.  Even the Rolling Stones were described  

> as a "Dartford Delta Blues band" recently.  The Beatles were surely  

> partially due to their living in a transatlantic seaport?  Sailors  

> selling the lp's they'd picked up in the USA you see?

>

> So...they gave it to us...and we improved it and sold it back to  

> them?  Tee hee.  x

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Free download album:  http://linearobsessional.bandcamp.com/album/the-terminal-beach

>

> PAULWADY.COM

>

>

> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 16:35:19 +1200

> Subject: Re: [kj] punk

>

> Okay, are we all agreed on Kyuss, yeah?

>

> Anyone NOT like Kyuss…? Seriously?

>

> Okay let’s just put an album on….

>

> NO MAN!!!

>

> No, fuck’s sake, just put an alb-

>

> No man it was my turn tu-

>

> Fuckin, just put a FUCKIN album on man

>

> Fuckin not Soundga-

>

> What?! Fuckin….why not? It’s fuckin awes-

>

> NOT FUCKING SOUNDGARDEN, MAAAAAN!!!!! O-KAY?!?!?!?!

>

> Jesus.

> What.

> EVER.

>

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ] On Behalf Of sade1

> Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 1:52 p.m.

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] punk

>

> > ..That was the Chinese...

>

> Nah, that was Democracy, not Punk Canada.

>

>

>

> Blessed are the Cracked for

>   they let in the Light,

>     others all are just a..

>       'nother brick in the Wall

>

> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net 

> >

> Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:45 AM

> Subject: Re: [kj] punk

>

> That was the Chinese mate. Sorry.

>

> On 6 Sep 2012, at 18:32, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:

>

> The UK invented British punk?

>

> Given this stunning logic, I would like to congratulate Canada for  

> inventing "Canadian punk."

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Olly

> Sent: Sep 6, 2012 10:08 AM

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] punk

>

>

>

> "However, the UK did invent punk"

>

> The *FUCK* it did.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

> The UK DID invent British Punk, which is far superior to US Punk ;)

>

>

>

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