[kj] OT: The origins of goth?

[Phillipps, Marc]

Seventh Son of a Seventh Son is a Prog album if you ask me :o) 



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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
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Sent: 22 November 2012 16:41
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Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The origins of goth?

I swore I wouldn't ever get into a goth discussion on the Gathering
again given the conversations/arguments throughout the years but...  

I don't think and have never thought that KJ were a goth band however, I
have played KJ at goth clubs.  And not just Love Like Blood - although
tracks from Night Time and prior to that tended to go down better than
later ones, probably due to goth fondness for 80s/punk/post punk music.
I've also played tracks by bands/artists such as Joy Division, New
Order, The Cure, Curve, The Cramps, NMA & Kate Bush.  All bands that go
down, or have certain tracks that go down well at a goth club but I
don't class any of them as goth either.  Yes, some people mislabel bands
but I don't get my gothy knickers in a knot about it.  If someone wanted
to try labelling a band like KJ, they could try to put them under
various different genres depending on which album or track they were
listening to, though for some reason the goth one seems to irk some
people the most.  If a person is a fan of a band surely they want them
to sell records regardless of who is buying them?  I don't read every KJ
in
 terview ever published - shock, horror! - but to the best of my
knowledge I've never heard of any of the band pulling an Eldritch and
complaining about goths liking them, that they are sometimes mislabelled
as goth or that Love Like Blood has been used on yet another goth
compilation CD, so I'm really not sure why some fans feel they should be
outraged on their behalf.   

To try & trace the roots of goth though, I agree with the statement that
it depends on what an individual considers as goth (we did once spend an
entertaining evening debating against Iron Maiden's Seventh Son of a
Seventh Son being the first goth metal album!), and possibly what side
of the Atlantic you're on.  There are also various sub genres of goth
that have roots from different places.  In my opinion, trad goth has
it's roots in punk & post punk but then some bands under those genres
state influences such as Bowie, The Beatles etc so it depends on how far
back you want to go. :o)

Claire
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From: Per G Olsson <Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com>
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