[kj] The Great Belly...

[Dominico C]

I rate Atkins right up there with BPF and Dugmore. And, Atkins shined not 
only with Exremities, but all the other KJ back catalog. I also like Damage 
Manual and Murder Inc! I have a '91 bootleg and the Live "Inside 
Extremities" discs. Atkins shines on The Wait and Empire song as well as the 
Extremities material.





> Atkins was a fine addition and certainly better than either Dugmore or 

> Parsons (sorry Godflesh-lovers) but his schtick only worked on the 

> Extremities tracks. Anything else and he sounded like a toddler taking it 

> out on the pots and pans.

>

> The water-on-the-drumhead bit was labored as well.

>

> There seems to be a big divide here between the rubbery finesse of the 

> Youth/BPF axis vs. the industrial thuggery of Raven/Atkins. Read any 

> recent review online and you can usually tell with what album the writer 

> started listening to KJ.

>

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   2. Re: Down by the River - Actually worth the wait... (Rob Moss)
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:39:18 -0500
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Respectfully counter-disagree, since I did see them in 1991.

Atkins was a fine addition and certainly better than either Dugmore or 
Parsons (sorry Godflesh-lovers) but his schtick only worked on the 
Extremities tracks. Anything else and he sounded like a toddler taking it 
out on the pots and pans.

The water-on-the-drumhead bit was labored as well.

There seems to be a big divide here between the rubbery finesse of the 
Youth/BPF axis vs. the industrial thuggery of Raven/Atkins. Read any recent 
review online and you can usually tell with what album the writer started 
listening to KJ.





Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:05:30 +0100
From: adrianwason at btinternet.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...




disagree totally
anyone who saw killing joke early in 1991 realised at the time that they 
were probably seeing the best live act ever to grace the stage

the songwriting has been better on 2012  IMO than on any other recording 
since extremities is that down to a combination of the 4 original members 
gelling after a few years?probably





From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2012, 18:41
Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...







Rheinhold:

You summed it up, beautifully, about Big Paul.  There are no substitutes, 
period.

K.W.
SoCal



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Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:03 AM
To: Gathering Gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...


BPF didn't play the festivals in 2010-11 either. I assume he's able to 
manage his NYC schedule around a full tour but not these one-off weekend 
gigs.

I said it before and I'll say it again: BPF is the missing piece and the 
video of Jason Bowld just confims it. Bowld's a dependable timekeeper, i'm 
sure, but also a basher with little finesse. I've seen KJ with 5 different 
drummers now and the closest anyone's come to BPF is Ben Calvert and even he 
was wide of the mark. My GF accompanied me to the Chicago shows in 2010 and 
she couldn't give a rip about KJ but she left impressed, commenting "the 
drummer was incredible."

Indeed.





From: PaulGorman at ireland.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:28:15 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

Hey Alex,

No doubt you caught up, but just in case, Jason Bowld, is the drummer.
What I have not heard yet is why, had Big Paul, a sick note?
I guess it could be any reason and none of my business, but after the Youth 
blog, I think it was, things did not sound happy in camp KJ.
Or I guess he could have had other commitments, just curious though.

dub



From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On 
Behalf Of Alexander Smith
Sent: 09 July 2012 02:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...




Who's that on drums?



Alex in NYC





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Time for a new boiler suit me thinks?



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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:13:06 +0100
From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Down by the River - Actually worth the wait...
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It is him. And yes he got paid!

On 12 Jul 2012, at 21:57, Per G Olsson <Per.G.Olsson at Miljonmysteriet.com> 
wrote:


>    OK, I've been moaning about the farcical delays of Down by the River 

> and I've already stopped listening to the mp3s, but...

>

>    ...the DVD is a gem (not of power though).

>    I feel that normal live DVD's are a bit dull, but this has no images of 

> any band members and is instead the visuals with the soundtrack from the 

> concert.

>    F**ing great stuff.

>    It bears Colesey's hallmarks, but I can't see him credited anywhere, I 

> hope he got paid for it at least.

>

>    So, after all, I feel that wait was worth it...

>

>    /Per

>

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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:14:33 +0100
From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...
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Atkins Raven was a hell of a combination for sure. Raven always gave credit 
to Atkins even when they didn't see eye to eye.


On 12 Jul 2012, at 22:39, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com> wrote:


> Respectfully counter-disagree, since I did see them in 1991.

>

> Atkins was a fine addition and certainly better than either Dugmore or 

> Parsons (sorry Godflesh-lovers) but his schtick only worked on the 

> Extremities tracks. Anything else and he sounded like a toddler taking it 

> out on the pots and pans.

>

> The water-on-the-drumhead bit was labored as well.

>

> There seems to be a big divide here between the rubbery finesse of the 

> Youth/BPF axis vs. the industrial thuggery of Raven/Atkins. Read any 

> recent review online and you can usually tell with what album the writer 

> started listening to KJ.

>

>

>

> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:05:30 +0100

> From: adrianwason at btinternet.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

>

>

> disagree totally

> anyone who saw killing joke early in 1991 realised at the time that they 

> were probably seeing the best live act ever to grace the stage

>

> the songwriting has been better on 2012  IMO than on any other recording 

> since extremities is that down to a combination of the 4 original members 

> gelling after a few years?probably

>

> From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>

> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)' 

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2012, 18:41

> Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

>

> Rheinhold:

>

> You summed it up, beautifully, about Big Paul.  There are no substitutes, 

> period.

>

> K.W.

> SoCal

>

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] 

> On Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee

> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:03 AM

> To: Gathering Gathering

> Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

>

> BPF didn't play the festivals in 2010-11 either. I assume he's able to 

> manage his NYC schedule around a full tour but not these one-off weekend 

> gigs.

>

> I said it before and I'll say it again: BPF is the missing piece and the 

> video of Jason Bowld just confims it. Bowld's a dependable timekeeper, i'm 

> sure, but also a basher with little finesse. I've seen KJ with 5 different 

> drummers now and the closest anyone's come to BPF is Ben Calvert and even 

> he was wide of the mark. My GF accompanied me to the Chicago shows in 2010 

> and she couldn't give a rip about KJ but she left impressed, commenting 

> "the drummer was incredible."

>

> Indeed.

>

>

> From: PaulGorman at ireland.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:28:15 +0100

> Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

> Hey Alex,

>

> No doubt you caught up, but just in case, Jason Bowld, is the drummer.

> What I have not heard yet is why, had Big Paul, a sick note?

> I guess it could be any reason and none of my business, but after the 

> Youth blog, I think it was, things did not sound happy in camp KJ.

> Or I guess he could have had other commitments, just curious though.

>

> dub

>

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] 

> On Behalf Of Alexander Smith

> Sent: 09 July 2012 02:16 PM

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] The Great Belly...

>

>

> Who's that on drums?

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

> On Jul 8, 2012, at 1:05 AM, Paul Gorman [Home] wrote:

>

> Time for a new boiler suit me thinks?

>

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