[kj] KJ = Anti-Gay Rock Band? This is a new wrinkle...

Brendan Quinn bq at soundgardener.co.nz
Wed Feb 8 17:34:29 EST 2012


Hitler was a Roman Catholic, he never repudiated his membership of the
Catholic church, and prayers were said for him on his birthday every year
through the war on orders of the Vatican.



Up to 50% of the Waffen SS were Catholic. None of them were ever threatened
with excommunication for taking part in the Final Solution. Joseph Goebbels
WAS excommunicated - for marrying a Protestant.



National Socialism was vaguely based on Nordic / pagan blood myths and
leader worship etc. Whatever it is, it’s not accurate to call it secular.



Killing Joke’s use of the picture of the fascist saluting priest is entirely
appropriate. The term fascism is synonymous with the political activity of
the Catholic right wing. Franco, Salazar, Mussolini etc etc.





From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee
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Subject: Re: [kj] KJ = Anti-Gay Rock Band? This is a new wrinkle...



Correct, although most accounts state it is Pope Pius XI. Even correct
accounts call Schachleiter a "German Nazi abbott" which is odd since the
Nazis were atheists that veered into mysticism and magic. As I recall, the
photo was taken either immediately before or after Hitler was appointed
chancellor by Hindenburg in 1933. The Nazis did take control of Germany,
however, by the formation of alliances with the church (and Pope Pius) and
political parties representing blocks of Catholic and Protestant voters:

Subsequently in July 1933 the Centre Party was voluntarily dissolved in a
quid pro quo with the <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_See> Pope under
the anti-communist <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XI> Pope Pius XI
for the <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat> Reichskonkordat; and
by these manoeuvres Hitler achieved movement of these Catholic voters into
the Nazi party, and a long-awaited international diplomatic acceptance of
his regime. It is interesting to note however that according to Professor
Dick Geary the Nazis gained a larger share of their vote in Protestant than
in Catholic areas of Germany in elections held between 1928 to November
1932[104] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Germany#cite_note-103>
The Communist Party was proscribed in April 1933 . On the weekend of 30 June
1934, he gave order to the <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel> SS
to seize Röhm and his lieutenants, and to execute them without trial (known
as the <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives> Night of the
Long Knives). Upon Hindenburg's death on 2 August 1934, Hitler's cabinet
passed a law proclaiming the presidency vacant and transferred the role and
powers of the head of state to Hitler as Führer und Reichskanzler (leader
and chancellor).

Here endeth the history lesson for today.

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From: kingsnake at hotmail.de
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:09:01 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ = Anti-Gay Rock Band? This is a new wrinkle...

here I stand corrected: it's Albanus Schachtleitner, indeed a Catholic
...http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanus_Schachleiter

dirk

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From: kingsnake at hotmail.de
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:58:13 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ = Anti-Gay Rock Band? This is a new wrinkle...

killing joke? don't they have a gaythering behind them....




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'Laugh I Nearly Bought One' which features catholic dignitaries.... at least
this site is ill-informed as well... the man saluting the brown shirts is an
abbot of the German Christians (kind of Protestant) whose name has just
escaped me...




dirt


Killing Joke: Official <http://www.facebook.com/killingjokeofficial>


Okay so in case it is not absolutely clear, Killing Joke have zero
intolerance to any way of life that does not cause harm to others. I cannot
honestly believe that in the year 2012 ANYONE would have an issue with
peoples sexuality, race or or disability come to that. Killing Joke have
always been a tool that is designed to poke fun at authority, greed
stupidity not strip normal people of any creed and kind of their dignity.

Without wishing to stoop to the level of some of 'Some our best friends are
gay' etc, it really shouldn't come as much surprise to anyone that scrapes
below the surface, that this band was born out of the countercultural
movements (good and bad) and the kind of clubs where ANY degree of misguided
prejudice would have been swiftly dealt with.

The quote that people are getting in a twist about (which will be given no
dignity here) was printed uncredited an Zig Zag magazine 27 years ago and
even at the time the band totally denied saying it, following up with their
totally horror of having visited the Death Camps that year. The only group
of people that were singled out by the band were the hypocrites of organised
religion, again made the target of satire on the cover of the singles album
'Laugh I Nearly Bought One' which features catholic dignitaries being Nazi
Saluted on the front. This was comment at the permissive nature of organised
religion.

In Summery

If anyone out there thinks that we as a band are Homophobic, Racist, Facist
or anything of the sort and feel this is a positive FUCK RIGHT OFF and stay
away from us

Is that clear now?

Killing Joke




On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
wrote:

I tried it on with Geordie once, but he wasn't having any of it.

Fuckin' tease.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com>
wrote:

Has anyone had any actual genuine experience of a member of the band being
anti gay ??
I do find this really hard to believe





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