[kj] Band funding

[Alexander Smith]

That is a strange thing about Jaz .... he's evidently accomplished  
many things and won myriad accolades, but he always sounds somewhat  
defensive about his achievements and continually brings them up -- as  
if people need to be reminded of his stunning brilliance.


Alex in NYC


On Sep 22, 2011, at 5:52 AM, Brendan Quinn wrote:


> Re Jaz’s involvement, as far as I understand (from internet  

> trawlings), his involvement is limited to influencing / persuading  

> Hinewehi Mohi (the singer he worked with on the album ‘Oceania’  

> which has apparently seen a sequel done since) to sing the pre- 

> existing Maori verses at some game in the 1999 Rugby World Cup. So  

> he didn’t write or change anything, but he influenced this artist  

> he worked with to perform it with the Maori verses in front of  

> possibly the largest audience ever. Which is still a great story  

> IMO, just not if he’s embellishing it.

>

> This link has what I think is close to the truth, minus the anti-Jaz  

> rant (it’s about the 5th post) – oh and it appears that the Wiki  

> article has since been changed cos I can’t find the below quotes in  

> it.

>

> I might have even sung the Maori version when I was in school, but  

> buggered if I know cos I never paid any attention.

>

> http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3501&start=60

>

> “From wikipedia: "Coleman has studied and played music from many  

> cultures, and is a multi-instrumentalist. He studied Arabic music at  

> the Cairo Conservatoire and has a passion for Czech folk music and  

> Māori music, among others. One of his Māori pieces is the "Second  

> Symphony for Māori Voice and Orchestra".[1] He was involved in  

> adding a verse in the Māori language to the New Zealand national  

> anthem; it was sung by Māori singer Hinewehi Mohi at the 1999 Rugby  

> World Cup match, and after some controversy the verse was officially  

> added."

>

> Jaz Coleman helped to rewrite my countries national anthem. Wicked.”

>

> No he didn't.

>

> I know some people who had personal dealings with Jaz – they  

> didn’t enjoy the experience. They called him megalomaniac amongst  

> other things. I’ve always thought that it was just down to a bad  

> experience maybe, and that he might be tough to work with. But re- 

> writing the NZ National anthem! That’s crazy talk and makes me  

> think that they were spot on.

>

> The Maori version of the anthem was written in 1878 (or 1879) – and  

> was taught reasonably widely, especially after the Maori Language  

> Act in 1987. But it wasn’t used at sporting events. We sung it at  

> school in the early 80’s. And it was sung at my university  

> graduation in the 90’s.

>

> Hinewehi Mohi decided to sing the verses in Maori as well as English  

> at the world cup in 1999. This may have been at Jazzers  

> encouragement – but you’d have to ask Hinewehi about that. But  

> there wasn’t anything ‘new’ about this apart from its context.

>

> And the debate was around whether it should be ‘officially’ sung  

> in both languages – not whether this ‘new’ version should be  

> official, Maori was already an official language and the version  

> that was sung had already existed for 120 years.

>

> At the time the Language commission decided it would a good idea in  

> terms of promoting the learning of Maori to encourage people to  

> learn & sing both. And sporting groups were encouraged to have both  

> languages sung especially if their events were being televised.  

> There is still no official protocol about what version should be  

> sung and where, the is certainly no law (apart from the Treaty of  

> Waitangi Act, and the Maori Language Act which both predate Jaz from  

> even being in the country) but in most cases people choose to sing  

> both language versions because it sounds better and is more  

> meaningful for them - nobody is compelled to do it.

>

> So when he says this to the BBC

>

> “My favourite song is the New Zealand national anthem, in which I  

> take a credit for changing it from English into the native Maori  

> tongue.”

>

> He’s just talking absolute crap. What a dick.

>

>

>

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ] On Behalf Of jon chapman

> Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 8:56 p.m.

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Band funding

>

> Interesting thing about the nz national anthem....just how much  

> influence did Jaz really have on this ???....i've heard it mentioned  

> (by him) alot.

>

> I pledge not to buy anything from Killing Joke until I get the  

> chance to buy a concert ticket for a gig in NZ or Aussie, an  

> official apology for buggering up our national anthem, and my own  

> plot of semi-barren land on one of the TWO VILLAGES, which I plan to  

> plant with a certain kind of hemp…which I’m anticipating will be  

> greatly enhanced in the post-apocalyptic radioactive atmosphere of  

> the future.

>

> Not really into live albums tbh. XXV was cool. Soundgarden Live on  

> I5 was cool. Any live Porcupine Tree is great.

>

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ] On Behalf Of sade1

> Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 1:29 p.m.

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Band funding

>

> > ...   a..band who funded it's last album by selling shares. Would  

> you

> > buy shares in KJ?

>

> Brendan can set up the IPO with say, oh, 7 million shares/cds,  

> Goldman Sachs can underwrite the whole thing and I'll invent the  

> requisite hedge-funds n' all the credit-default swaps and all the  

> derivatives. We'll clean up huge! Everyone wanna see a bubble? The  

> cd prices will reach $419.99/disc and vinyl records $1,643 each,  

> payable in gold! After the cd drops, who knows... Killing Joke will  

> be too big to fail, for once!

> Once the prices peak at about $528disc/$2,137vinyl I'll set up the  

> short-sale; we'll clean up again!! We'll become so rich I think we  

> can buy the band itself at that point and send them around every day  

> to different shareholders' houses and have them play in the living  

> room or in the parlor after dinner and cigars.

>

> Cheers!

>

>

>

>

>

> From: Brian Whitehead <bawhitehead at gmail.com>

> To: Gathering <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:16 AM

> Subject: [kj] Band funding

>

>

> Talking about the Pledge funding thing I came across this about a  

> German band who funded it's last album by selling shares.

> Would you buy shares in KJ? Would Jaz see this as ethically wrong?

>

> "The German band Angelica Express financed its last album by selling  

> “shares” to fans.

> They issued 500 “shares” at 50 Euros each (which sold out in  

> record time and came with a detailed plan of how the money would be  

> spent). With those 25,000 Euros, the band financed the recording of  

> their album, the album artwork, the manufacture of the actual CDs,  

> and the accompanying promotion.

> Not only do the people who signed up for the shares get the new  

> album but in return they also receive 80% of the earnings."

> Brian.

>

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