[kj] Band funding

[bongo]

well . . .

to start, i'd like to say that a track off Oceania is used as backing music
for maori tv promo ads... nice to hear it getting an audience... think it
is He Tangata

the megalomania reference must be the shihad thing..

and as far as i'm concerned, the nz anthem may not have been sung in both
languages for the last decade or so if Jaz had not been involved.  i cant
prove this, but if he had not been working with Hine, i just dont think the
same circumstances would have unfolded as they did.  it may have happened
eventually anyway, but the reality is that Jaz was somewhere in the mix when
it became so.
it was only 50 60 years ago that maori (we dropped the 's' but means plural)
would get caned for even speaking Te Reo, maori language, in schools.. it
has been making a comeback for the last few decades tho.  we used to sing
this at primary school..
http://folksong.org.nz/tutira_mai_nga_iwi/index.html

interestingly enough, i met a good friend of Mr Colemans today, he came into
my work, and we talked for an hour about sir laurence, crop circles, the
gathering, and wood.


=)



"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."


2011/9/22 Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>


> Re Jaz’s involvement, as far as I understand (from internet trawlings), his

> involvement is limited to influencing / persuading Hinewehi Mohi (the singer

> he worked with on the album ‘Oceania’ which has apparently seen a sequel

> done since) to sing the *pre-existing* Maori verses at some game in the

> 1999 Rugby World Cup. So he didn’t write or change anything, but he

> influenced this artist he worked with to perform it with the Maori verses in

> front of possibly the largest audience ever. Which is still a great story

> IMO, just not if he’s embellishing it. ****

>

> ** **

>

> This link has what I think is close to the truth, minus the anti-Jaz rant

> (it’s about the 5th post) – oh and it appears that the Wiki article has

> since been changed cos I can’t find the below quotes in it.****

>

> ** **

>

> I might have even sung the Maori version when I was in school, but buggered

> if I know cos I never paid any attention. ****

>

> ** **

>

> http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3501&start=60****

>

> ** **

>

> “From wikipedia: "Coleman has studied and played music from many cultures,

> and is a multi-instrumentalist. He studied Arabic music at the Cairo

> Conservatoire and has a passion for Czech folk music and Māori music, among

> others. One of his Māori pieces is the "Second Symphony for Māori Voice and

> Orchestra".[1] He was involved in adding a verse in the Māori language to

> the New Zealand national anthem; it was sung by Māori singer Hinewehi Mohi

> at the 1999 Rugby World Cup match, and after some controversy the verse was

> officially added."

>

> Jaz Coleman helped to rewrite my countries national anthem. Wicked.”****

>

> ** **

>

> *No he didn't.

>

> I know some people who had personal dealings with Jaz – they didn’t enjoy

> the experience. They called him megalomaniac amongst other things. I’ve

> always thought that it was just down to a bad experience maybe, and that he

> might be tough to work with. But re-writing the NZ National anthem! That’s

> crazy talk and makes me think that they were spot on.

>

> The Maori version of the anthem was written in 1878 (or 1879) – and was

> taught reasonably widely, especially after the Maori Language Act in 1987.

> But it wasn’t used at sporting events. We sung it at school in the early

> 80’s. And it was sung at my university graduation in the 90’s.

>

> Hinewehi Mohi decided to sing the verses in Maori as well as English at the

> world cup in 1999. This may have been at Jazzers encouragement – but you’d

> have to ask Hinewehi about that. But there wasn’t anything ‘new’ about this

> apart from its context.

>

> And the debate was around whether it should be ‘officially’ sung in both

> languages – not whether this ‘new’ version should be official, Maori was

> already an official language and the version that was sung had already

> existed for 120 years.

>

> At the time the Language commission decided it would a good idea in terms

> of promoting the learning of Maori to encourage people to learn & sing both.

> And sporting groups were encouraged to have both languages sung especially

> if their events were being televised. There is still no official protocol

> about what version should be sung and where, the is certainly no law (apart

> from the Treaty of Waitangi Act, and the Maori Language Act which both

> predate Jaz from even being in the country) but in most cases people

> choose to sing both language versions because it sounds better and is more

> meaningful for them - nobody is compelled to do it.

>

> So when he says this to the BBC***

>

> ** **

>

> “My favourite song is the New Zealand national anthem, in which I take a

> credit for changing it from English into the native Maori tongue.”****

>

> ** **

>

> *He’s just talking absolute crap. What a dick.***

>

> ** **

>

> ** **

>

> ** **

>

> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *jon chapman

> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 September 2011 8:56 p.m.

> *To:* gathering at misera.net

>

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Band funding****

>

> ** **

>

> Interesting thing about the nz national anthem....just how much influence

> did Jaz really have on this ???....i've heard it mentioned (by him) alot.*

> ***

>

> I pledge not to buy anything from Killing Joke until I get the chance to

> buy a concert ticket for a gig in NZ or Aussie, an official apology for

> buggering up our national anthem, and my own plot of semi-barren land on one

> of the TWO VILLAGES, which I plan to plant with a certain kind of hemp…which

> I’m anticipating will be greatly enhanced in the post-apocalyptic

> radioactive atmosphere of the future.****

>

>  ****

>

> Not really into live albums tbh. XXV was cool. Soundgarden Live on I5 was

> cool. Any live Porcupine Tree is great.****

>

>  ****

>

> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *sade1

> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 September 2011 1:29 p.m.

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Band funding****

>

>  ****

>

> > ...   a..band who funded it's last album by selling shares. Would you **

> **

>

> > buy shares in KJ? ****

>

>  ****

>

> Brendan can set up the IPO with say, oh, 7 million shares/cds, Goldman

> Sachs can underwrite the whole thing and I'll invent the requisite

> hedge-funds n' all the credit-default swaps and all the derivatives. We'll

> clean up huge! Everyone wanna see a bubble? The cd prices will reach

> $419.99/disc and vinyl records $1,643 each, payable in gold! After the cd

> drops, who knows... Killing Joke will be too big to fail, for once!****

>

> Once the prices peak at about $528disc/$2,137vinyl I'll set up the

> short-sale; we'll clean up again!! We'll become so rich I think we can buy

> the band itself at that point and send them around every day to different

> shareholders' houses and have them play in the living room or in the parlor

> after dinner and cigars. ****

>

>  ****

>

> Cheers!****

>

>  ****

>

>  ****

>

>  ****

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>  ****

>

>  ****

>

> *From:* Brian Whitehead <bawhitehead at gmail.com>

> *To:* Gathering <gathering at misera.net>

> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:16 AM

> *Subject:* [kj] Band funding****

>

>

> Talking about the Pledge funding thing I came across this about a German

> band who funded it's last album by selling shares.

> Would you buy shares in KJ? Would Jaz see this as ethically wrong?

>

> "The German band Angelica Express financed its last album by selling

> “shares” to fans. ****

>

> They issued 500 “shares” at 50 Euros each (which sold out in record time

> and came with a detailed plan of how the money would be spent). With those

> 25,000 Euros, the band financed the recording of their album, the album

> artwork, the manufacture of the actual CDs, and the accompanying promotion.

> ****

>

> Not only do the people who signed up for the shares get the new album but

> in return they also receive 80% of the earnings."****

>

> Brian. ****

>

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