[kj] Night Time v Hosannas

damon cook soundmagick at gmail.com
Tue May 24 03:27:28 EDT 2011


DONT U WORRY DOMINICO EYE/WE GOT YR BACK M8. FUCK THE FORUM TROLLS AND THEIR
HUMAN SPAM.

KEEP KRANKIN THEE EQ M8!

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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Dominico C <dominicoc at hotmail.com> wrote:


> Honestly, for me, Hossanas gets more air time, than I would play Night

> Time.... I love Eighties, but that’s pretty much it... Yeah, the mix on

> Hossanas SUCKS, but I always CRANK UP THE EQ! I bought most of the

> remasters, but with the exceptions to Night Time, OTG, and BTATS... I do

> still have my original Night Time on CD.... I prefer Fire Dances over Night

> Time though, and of course the first three albums! Of course Democracy is

> one of my favorites!!! Oh no... Hear come the forum trolls...

>

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> 1. Re: Snap into a Slim Jim. RIP (Rheinhold Squeegee)

> 2. Re: Night Time v Hosannas (LONESTYLE at aol.com)

> 3. Re: Night Time v Hosannas (folk devil)

> 4. Re: Official KJ site updated with news: (Alex Smith)

> 5. Re: The real reason they wont be touring the USA.

> (Paul Rangecroft)

> 6. Re: Official KJ site updated with news: (Steve Hackett)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 12:14:09 -0500

> From: Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Snap into a Slim Jim. RIP

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> For those of you outside the US:

>

>

> http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/20/randy-savage-car-accident-macho-man-dead-dies-died-killed-wwe-wrestler-florida/

>

>

>

> From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com

>> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 12:57:02 -0400

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: [kj] Snap into a Slim Jim. RIP

>>

>> Forget all this Killing Joke nonsense. We just lost Randy Macho Man

>> Savage.

>>

>>

>>

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> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 13:15:26 -0400 (EDT)

> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com

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> Subject: Re: [kj] Night Time v Hosannas

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> Night Time: Good!

>

> Hosannas: Bad!

>

> Night Time: Excellent production!

>

> Hosannas: Shity production that sounds it was recorded in a toilet at

> times!

>

> Night Time: Jaz sings!

>

> Hosannas: Jaz yells!

>

> Nuff said!

>

>

>

> ~ LB

>

> In a message dated 5/20/2011 7:44:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> 65snoopy at gmail.com writes:

>

> I understand that Night Time is up there in the pantheon of classic KJ

> releases

> but 25 years (!) on the only songs I listen to on a regular basis are

> Darkness Before Dawn,

> Europe and LLB. I thought it was patchy at the time and have never changed

> that view.

>

> Hosannas is also patchy - and has a far more dodgy sound - but Invocation

> and Judas Goat

> are, for me, two of the finest songs the band have written in the last few

> decades. I also like blasting

> Walking with Gods and Lightbringer - in those edited versions (off some

> single?) Or I just

> get itunes to fade 'em out after 5 minutes...

>

> So in listening terms its equal honours between the 2 records - even if my

> nostalgic heart tells me

> Night Time is way above Hosannas.

>

> christ I'm a nerd

>

> n

>

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> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 10:23:51 -0700

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> From: folk devil <folk.devil at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Night Time v Hosannas

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> Night Time - Glossy production, very good recording work

> Hosannas - terrible rushed recording (maybe there was a reason?), that

> kills some good ideas that were not executed very well. Better recordings

> have been done on an old fostex 4 track. I like rough edges, but not

> Hosannas.

>

>

>

> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com

> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 13:15:26 -0400

>

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Night Time v Hosannas

>

>

>

> Night Time: Good!

>

> Hosannas: Bad!

>

> Night Time: Excellent production!

>

> Hosannas: Shity production that sounds it was recorded in a toilet at

> times!

>

> Night Time: Jaz sings!

>

> Hosannas: Jaz yells!

>

> Nuff said!

>

>

>

> ~ LB

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> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 13:27:18 -0400 (GMT-04:00)

> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:

>

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

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> That's just whistleheaded horsehockey. Anyone who doesn't have ten gallons

> of water-buffalo dung in their ears knows that NIGHTTIME shits all over

> HOSANNAS from A GREAT, BROWN, SPLATTERY HEIGHT.

>

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>

>> From: Steve Hackett <thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk>

>> Sent: May 20, 2011 1:13 PM

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <

>> gathering at misera.net>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:

>>

>> Sooo...you acknowledge defeat..... Hosannas > nightime

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Smith" <

>> vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> <gathering at misera.net>

>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 2:08 PM

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:

>>

>>

>>

>> Secondly, I'm fleetingly self-aware enough to realize that I'm a

>> cranky bastard because I'm up too early and haven't had any breakfast.

>> Apologies for my needless provocation and accompanying time/bandwidth-

>> wasting.

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>> On May 20, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Alexander Smith wrote:

>>

>>

>>> "I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature."

>>>

>>> You don't find that to be a pompous statement?

>>>

>>> LET'S DROP IT!!!

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>

>>> I really don't think posting this initially was enough for you to

>>>> think I was being retaliatory and pompous, try reading it again and

>>>> explain how you seemed to get the wrong end of the stick?

>>>>

>>>> "Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't think the

>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop Nighttime album

>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here regularly how

>>>> much you love it.

>>>>

>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for "Hosannas" than

>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would disagree."

>>>>

>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:48, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> ....yet fail to recognize the equally retaliatory and pompous nature

>>>>> of

>>>>> your

>>>>> own response.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>

>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:36, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It was merely a retort to your comment that you'd been lurking for

>>>>>>> many

>>>>>>> years with rarely posting.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I don't think we need to continue this. I see your point that there's

>>>>>>> too

>>>>>>> much crap and not enough meaty discussion here, but that's kinda the

>>>>>>> nature

>>>>>>> of the beast.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> As far as HOSANNAS versus NIGHTTIME goes, it's a matter of opinion,

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>> reason for us to get in a strop about. Neither of us are "wrong" for

>>>>>>> liking

>>>>>>> what we like. There is no end to that argument.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Again, though, if you feel a dissenting opinion, why not express it

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> add

>>>>>>> to the conversation instead of lurking?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> A lot more bloody confusing to work through, as I said, no column

>>>>>>>> headings for distinct topics, no user interface, no moderation, no

>>>>>>>> structure.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I am not sure I understand your comment about winning something?

>>>>>>>> What

>>>>>>>> is the sarcasm aimed at?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:21, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> We're getting into semantics here, but regardless of terminology,

>>>>>>>>> how

>>>>>>>>> exactly is a email list *different* from an open forum?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I've been on this list since about 1998 or 9. Do I win something?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I have been on this forum lurking for many years with rarely

>>>>>>>>>> posting.

>>>>>>>>>> To be honest, this does not work as a forum anyway, it is an email

>>>>>>>>>> list, it would be better structured as topics on a forum on a

>>>>>>>>>> proper

>>>>>>>>>> website in my opinion.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps if there was structure, with column headings, topics etc,

>>>>>>>>>> things on here wouldn't get as fragmented.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that an unwieldy portion of commentary here is entirely

>>>>>>>>>>> flotsam,

>>>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>>> I assure this was not always the case. By the same token, being

>>>>>>>>>>> an

>>>>>>>>>>> open

>>>>>>>>>>> forum, its very nature encourages differing opinions. You would

>>>>>>>>>>> prefer

>>>>>>>>>>> maybe

>>>>>>>>>>> to simply read press releases that all tow a singular party line?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> 90% of the comments on this so called "Gathering" forum is dross

>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, you either get trolls, thread spoilers or what I would

>>>>>>>>>>>> term

>>>>>>>>>>>> "aggressors". Perhaps it is because I am tired or reading

>>>>>>>>>>>> bitching

>>>>>>>>>>>> on here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:08, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you fail to contribute, you rob yourself of the right to

>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitch

>>>>>>>>>>>>> about

>>>>>>>>>>>>> it,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is hardly surprising I don't post much on here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:04, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I ever asserted that my opinion WAS the only

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, I'd appreciate it if you cited same before casting said

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspersion.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, it's not my fault that you don't contribute enough

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-establish

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich tapestry of varied opinions that the Gathering used

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influx

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity and ennui took over.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't started a debate before? Just saying. Length

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition only adds to the tension in songs on Hosannas in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion, like some of KJs early stuff, which is also built

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition. Yours is not the only opinion on here,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprisingly

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:58, Alexander Smith <

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dated or not, at least NIGHTTIME has fully-fleshed out,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> songs

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really want to start this debate again?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nighttime

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much you love it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hosannas"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:42, Alexander Smith

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the Coles recognition is really the only silver

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lining

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm unaware that the entire back catalog was

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhumed,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remastered and re-released (well, apart from KJ03 and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOPELESSANNAS)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Neil Perry wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, nice to see Colesy get a mention. Here's hoping

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To paraphrase Winston Churchill:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Killing Joke will always do the right thing - after they

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhausted

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the alternatives."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 May 2011 23:26, Rheinhold Squeegee <

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kjlist at live.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.killingjoke.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm/Universal

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> festival

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come soon as well.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We?ve also got something very special to announce for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fans

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we?ll

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce in early June.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The band are already working on the new album and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparations

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underway for our European Tour starting in June which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a full summer of festivals, taking in Roskilde and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonisphere

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but a

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is however with great regret that Killing Joke have

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forced

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancel the upcoming US dates due to health issues within

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> band.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be back to the States very soon and appreciate all

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is going to be an incredible year for Killing Joke,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to the future, and seeing you all at our shows.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Killing Joke.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Written on May 19, 2011 at 1:58 pm, by admin

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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> Message: 5

> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 18:28:53 +0100

> From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] The real reason they wont be touring the USA.

>

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

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> Geordie informed Benny. That doesn't mean the decision was his alone.

>

> Since all the other members of the band have spoken the sickness implied

> must be Jaz's, however it seems this is an excuse so the real reason must

> be

> something else he has done.

>

> A few have already expressed concerns re the European dates and I'm in

> agreement with them. I won't be taking any gambles on this tour.

>

> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com

> >wrote:

>

> About as official as your going to get , no it's not speculation

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------

>> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 14:49:01 +0100

>> From: phil.tofield at virgin.net

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] The real reason they wont be touring the USA.

>>

>>

>> has there actually been any official confirmation of this, or is it still

>> speculation?

>>

>>

>>

>> the fact remains that it was our Lord Geordie who stopped the U.S dates

>> not

>> our prophet Jaz.

>>

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> Message: 6

> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 18:45:16 +0100

> From: "Steve Hackett" <thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:

>

> To: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>, "A list about all things

> Killing Joke \(the band!\)" <gathering at misera.net>

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>

> stop sitting on the fence!

>

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>; "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 6:27 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:

>

>

>

>> That's just whistleheaded horsehockey. Anyone who doesn't have ten gallons

>> of water-buffalo dung in their ears knows that NIGHTTIME shits all over

>> HOSANNAS from A GREAT, BROWN, SPLATTERY HEIGHT.

>>

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>>

>>> From: Steve Hackett <thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk>

>>> Sent: May 20, 2011 1:13 PM

>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:

>>>

>>> Sooo...you acknowledge defeat..... Hosannas > nightime

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Smith" <

>>> vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>

>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 2:08 PM

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Secondly, I'm fleetingly self-aware enough to realize that I'm a

>>> cranky bastard because I'm up too early and haven't had any breakfast.

>>> Apologies for my needless provocation and accompanying time/bandwidth-

>>> wasting.

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>> On May 20, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Alexander Smith wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>> "I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature."

>>>>

>>>> You don't find that to be a pompous statement?

>>>>

>>>> LET'S DROP IT!!!

>>>>

>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>

>>>> I really don't think posting this initially was enough for you to

>>>>> think I was being retaliatory and pompous, try reading it again and

>>>>> explain how you seemed to get the wrong end of the stick?

>>>>>

>>>>> "Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't think the

>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop Nighttime album

>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here regularly how

>>>>> much you love it.

>>>>>

>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for "Hosannas" than

>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would disagree."

>>>>>

>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:48, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ....yet fail to recognize the equally retaliatory and pompous nature

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> your

>>>>>> own response.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:36, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> It was merely a retort to your comment that you'd been lurking for

>>>>>>>> many

>>>>>>>> years with rarely posting.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> I don't think we need to continue this. I see your point that

>>>>>>>> there's

>>>>>>>> too

>>>>>>>> much crap and not enough meaty discussion here, but that's kinda

>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>> nature

>>>>>>>> of the beast.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> As far as HOSANNAS versus NIGHTTIME goes, it's a matter of opinion,

>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>>> reason for us to get in a strop about. Neither of us are "wrong"

>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>> liking

>>>>>>>> what we like. There is no end to that argument.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Again, though, if you feel a dissenting opinion, why not express it

>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> add

>>>>>>>> to the conversation instead of lurking?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> A lot more bloody confusing to work through, as I said, no column

>>>>>>>>> headings for distinct topics, no user interface, no moderation, no

>>>>>>>>> structure.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I am not sure I understand your comment about winning something?

>>>>>>>>> What

>>>>>>>>> is the sarcasm aimed at?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:21, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> We're getting into semantics here, but regardless of terminology,

>>>>>>>>>> how

>>>>>>>>>> exactly is a email list *different* from an open forum?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I've been on this list since about 1998 or 9. Do I win something?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I have been on this forum lurking for many years with rarely

>>>>>>>>>>> posting.

>>>>>>>>>>> To be honest, this does not work as a forum anyway, it is an

>>>>>>>>>>> email

>>>>>>>>>>> list, it would be better structured as topics on a forum on a

>>>>>>>>>>> proper

>>>>>>>>>>> website in my opinion.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps if there was structure, with column headings, topics

>>>>>>>>>>> etc,

>>>>>>>>>>> things on here wouldn't get as fragmented.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that an unwieldy portion of commentary here is entirely

>>>>>>>>>>>> flotsam,

>>>>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>>>> I assure this was not always the case. By the same token, being

>>>>>>>>>>>> an

>>>>>>>>>>>> open

>>>>>>>>>>>> forum, its very nature encourages differing opinions. You would

>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer

>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe

>>>>>>>>>>>> to simply read press releases that all tow a singular party

>>>>>>>>>>>> line?

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> 90% of the comments on this so called "Gathering" forum is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> dross

>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, you either get trolls, thread spoilers or what I would

>>>>>>>>>>>>> term

>>>>>>>>>>>>> "aggressors". Perhaps it is because I am tired or reading

>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitching

>>>>>>>>>>>>> on here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:08, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you fail to contribute, you rob yourself of the right to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitch

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is hardly surprising I don't post much on here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:04, Alexander Smith <

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I ever asserted that my opinion WAS the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, I'd appreciate it if you cited same before casting

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspersion.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, it's not my fault that you don't contribute

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-establish

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich tapestry of varied opinions that the Gathering

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influx

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity and ennui took over.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't started a debate before? Just saying. Length

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition only adds to the tension in songs on Hosannas

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion, like some of KJs early stuff, which is also built

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition. Yours is not the only opinion on here,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprisingly

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:58, Alexander Smith

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dated or not, at least NIGHTTIME has fully-fleshed out,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> songs

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really want to start this debate again?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Nick Scott wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nighttime

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much you love it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hosannas"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:42, Alexander Smith

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the Coles recognition is really the only silver

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lining

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm unaware that the entire back catalog was

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhumed,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remastered and re-released (well, apart from KJ03 and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOPELESSANNAS)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Neil Perry wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, nice to see Colesy get a mention. Here's hoping

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To paraphrase Winston Churchill:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Killing Joke will always do the right thing - after

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhausted

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the alternatives."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 May 2011 23:26, Rheinhold Squeegee

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kjlist at live.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.killingjoke.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WEBSITE COMING SOON

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> European Dates

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jun Poland Warsaw Sonisphere Buy Tickets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12 Jun Germany Leipzig Wave Gotik Treffen Buy Tickets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Jul Denmark Roskilde Festival Buy Tickets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8 Jul UK Knebworth Sonisphere Buy Tickets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22 Jul Finland Helsinki Tuska Open Air Buy Tickets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31 Jul Holland Utrecht Summer Darknes Buy Tickets

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke News

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below we?ve got plenty of news for you from Killing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open that box we?re really pleased to bring you

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?European

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> State?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month, our new single available on CD, 12? coloured

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vinyl

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download. The formats of the new single are:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CD

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ?European Super State? (edit)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ?Kali Yuga?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ?Ghosts Of Ladbroke Grove? (Dub Mix)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ?European Super State? (Youth Remix)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. ?European Super State? (Dub Remix)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. ?European Super State? (Justin Broadrick Remix)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12? vinyl ? 290 numbered copies available exclusively

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.whatrecords.co.uk

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ?European Super State? (Youth Remix)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ?European Super State? (Dub Remix)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ?European Super State? (Justin Broadrick Remix)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ?European Super State? (Clive Goddard Extended mix)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digital Download

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ?European Super State?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ?European Super State? (Youth Remix)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ?European Super State? (Justin Broadrick Remix)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ?European Super State? (Clive Goddard extended mix)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the start of the year we announced a deal with

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm/Universal

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brand new studio album, which we?ll announce details

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> summer.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We?re really excited to be back working with the label

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolute

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dissent, and we?re also glad to announce they?ll be

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the back catalogue which we will be repackaging and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course of the next year.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was great to see so many of you in London,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nottingham

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manchester,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at the Camden Crawl recently, for our big return

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the full original line-up. As you may know, Jaz

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retired

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barrier

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Island, Paul to New York, Geordie to Prague and Youth

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andulucia,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release of ?European Super State? we?re all very

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to a massive summer ahead. We?ll have

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UK

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> festival

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come soon as well.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We?ve also got something very special to announce for

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fans

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke live show. Following our show at the Royal

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Festival

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hall,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompanied by stunning visuals designed by Mr. Mike

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coles,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artistic

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> genius and longtime Killing Joke collaborator, we can

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance will be released as the definitive Killing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fans

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have many ways to get hold of a copy, the details

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we?ll

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce in early June.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The band are already working on the new album and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparations

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underway for our European Tour starting in June which

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a full summer of festivals, taking in Roskilde and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonisphere

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but a

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is however with great regret that Killing Joke have

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forced

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancel the upcoming US dates due to health issues

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> band.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be back to the States very soon and appreciate all

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is going to be an incredible year for Killing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to the future, and seeing you all at our

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Killing Joke.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Written on May 19, 2011 at 1:58 pm, by admin

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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