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Alexander Smith
vassifer at earthlink.net
Fri May 20 09:08:26 EDT 2011
Secondly, I'm fleetingly self-aware enough to realize that I'm a
cranky bastard because I'm up too early and haven't had any breakfast.
Apologies for my needless provocation and accompanying time/bandwidth-
wasting.
Alex in NYC
On May 20, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Alexander Smith wrote:
>
> "I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature."
>
> You don't find that to be a pompous statement?
>
> LET'S DROP IT!!!
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>
>> I really don't think posting this initially was enough for you to
>> think I was being retaliatory and pompous, try reading it again and
>> explain how you seemed to get the wrong end of the stick?
>>
>> "Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't think the
>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop Nighttime album
>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here regularly how
>> much you love it.
>>
>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for "Hosannas"
>> than
>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would disagree."
>>
>> On 20 May 2011 13:48, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ....yet fail to recognize the equally retaliatory and pompous
>>> nature of your
>>> own response.
>>>
>>> Alex in NYC
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature.
>>>>
>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:36, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It was merely a retort to your comment that you'd been lurking
>>>>> for many
>>>>> years with rarely posting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think we need to continue this. I see your point that
>>>>> there's too
>>>>> much crap and not enough meaty discussion here, but that's kinda
>>>>> the
>>>>> nature
>>>>> of the beast.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as HOSANNAS versus NIGHTTIME goes, it's a matter of
>>>>> opinion, and
>>>>> no
>>>>> reason for us to get in a strop about. Neither of us are "wrong"
>>>>> for
>>>>> liking
>>>>> what we like. There is no end to that argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, though, if you feel a dissenting opinion, why not express
>>>>> it and
>>>>> add
>>>>> to the conversation instead of lurking?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot more bloody confusing to work through, as I said, no column
>>>>>> headings for distinct topics, no user interface, no moderation,
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> structure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure I understand your comment about winning
>>>>>> something? What
>>>>>> is the sarcasm aimed at?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:21, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're getting into semantics here, but regardless of
>>>>>>> terminology, how
>>>>>>> exactly is a email list *different* from an open forum?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been on this list since about 1998 or 9. Do I win
>>>>>>> something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been on this forum lurking for many years with rarely
>>>>>>>> posting.
>>>>>>>> To be honest, this does not work as a forum anyway, it is an
>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>> list, it would be better structured as topics on a forum on a
>>>>>>>> proper
>>>>>>>> website in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps if there was structure, with column headings, topics
>>>>>>>> etc,
>>>>>>>> things on here wouldn't get as fragmented.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:15, Alexander Smith
>>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree that an unwieldy portion of commentary here is
>>>>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>>>>> flotsam,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> I assure this was not always the case. By the same token,
>>>>>>>>> being an
>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>> forum, its very nature encourages differing opinions. You
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>> to simply read press releases that all tow a singular party
>>>>>>>>> line?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 90% of the comments on this so called "Gathering" forum is
>>>>>>>>>> dross
>>>>>>>>>> anyway, you either get trolls, thread spoilers or what I
>>>>>>>>>> would term
>>>>>>>>>> "aggressors". Perhaps it is because I am tired or reading
>>>>>>>>>> bitching
>>>>>>>>>> on here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:08, Alexander Smith
>>>>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you fail to contribute, you rob yourself of the right
>>>>>>>>>>> to bitch
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is hardly surprising I don't post much on here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:04, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I ever asserted that my opinion WAS the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, I'd appreciate it if you cited same before casting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspersion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, it's not my fault that you don't contribute
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-establish
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich tapestry of varied opinions that the Gathering
>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> influx
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity and ennui took over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't started a debate before? Just saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Length and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition only adds to the tension in songs on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hosannas in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion, like some of KJs early stuff, which is also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition. Yours is not the only opinion on here,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprisingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:58, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dated or not, at least NIGHTTIME has fully-fleshed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> songs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really want to start this debate again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nighttime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much you love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hosannas"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:42, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the Coles recognition is really the only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> silver lining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm unaware that the entire back catalog was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhumed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remastered and re-released (well, apart from KJ03 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOPELESSANNAS)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Neil Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, nice to see Colesy get a mention. Here's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoping he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To paraphrase Winston Churchill:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Killing Joke will always do the right thing - after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhausted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the alternatives."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 May 2011 23:26, Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.killingjoke.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WEBSITE COMING SOON
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> European Dates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jun Poland Warsaw Sonisphere Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12 Jun Germany Leipzig Wave Gotik Treffen Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Jul Denmark Roskilde Festival Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8 Jul UK Knebworth Sonisphere Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22 Jul Finland Helsinki Tuska Open Air Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31 Jul Holland Utrecht Summer Darknes Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke News
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below we’ve got plenty of news for you from Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open that box we’re really pleased to bring you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘European
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> State’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month, our new single available on CD, 12” coloured
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download. The formats of the new single are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’ (edit)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ‘Kali Yuga’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘Ghosts Of Ladbroke Grove’ (Dub Mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. ‘European Super State’ (Dub Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12” vinyl – 290 numbered copies available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusively from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.whatrecords.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ‘European Super State’ (Dub Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Clive Goddard Extended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digital Download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Clive Goddard extended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the start of the year we announced a deal with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm/Universal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brand new studio album, which we’ll announce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> summer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’re really excited to be back working with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> label who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dissent, and we’re also glad to announce they’ll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the back catalogue which we will be repackaging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course of the next year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was great to see so many of you in London,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nottingham and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manchester,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at the Camden Crawl recently, for our big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> return to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the full original line-up. As you may know, Jaz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retired to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barrier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Island, Paul to New York, Geordie to Prague and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Youth to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andulucia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release of ‘European Super State’ we’re all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to a massive summer ahead. We’ll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> festival
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come soon as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’ve also got something very special to announce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for fans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke live show. Following our show at the Royal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Festival
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hall,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompanied by stunning visuals designed by Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Coles,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artistic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> genius and longtime Killing Joke collaborator, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance will be released as the definitive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have many ways to get hold of a copy, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we’ll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce in early June.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The band are already working on the new album and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underway for our European Tour starting in June
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a full summer of festivals, taking in Roskilde and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonisphere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is however with great regret that Killing Joke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancel the upcoming US dates due to health issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> band.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be back to the States very soon and appreciate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is going to be an incredible year for Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to the future, and seeing you all at our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Killing Joke.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Written on May 19, 2011 at 1:58 pm, by admin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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