[kj] Official KJ site updated with news:
Alexander Smith
vassifer at earthlink.net
Fri May 20 08:48:03 EDT 2011
....yet fail to recognize the equally retaliatory and pompous nature
of your own response.
Alex in NYC
On May 20, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
> I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature.
>
> On 20 May 2011 13:36, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> It was merely a retort to your comment that you'd been lurking for
>> many
>> years with rarely posting.
>>
>> I don't think we need to continue this. I see your point that
>> there's too
>> much crap and not enough meaty discussion here, but that's kinda
>> the nature
>> of the beast.
>>
>> As far as HOSANNAS versus NIGHTTIME goes, it's a matter of opinion,
>> and no
>> reason for us to get in a strop about. Neither of us are "wrong"
>> for liking
>> what we like. There is no end to that argument.
>>
>> Again, though, if you feel a dissenting opinion, why not express it
>> and add
>> to the conversation instead of lurking?
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>
>>> A lot more bloody confusing to work through, as I said, no column
>>> headings for distinct topics, no user interface, no moderation, no
>>> structure.
>>>
>>> I am not sure I understand your comment about winning something?
>>> What
>>> is the sarcasm aimed at?
>>>
>>> On 20 May 2011 13:21, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We're getting into semantics here, but regardless of terminology,
>>>> how
>>>> exactly is a email list *different* from an open forum?
>>>>
>>>> I've been on this list since about 1998 or 9. Do I win something?
>>>>
>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been on this forum lurking for many years with rarely
>>>>> posting.
>>>>> To be honest, this does not work as a forum anyway, it is an email
>>>>> list, it would be better structured as topics on a forum on a
>>>>> proper
>>>>> website in my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps if there was structure, with column headings, topics etc,
>>>>> things on here wouldn't get as fragmented.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree that an unwieldy portion of commentary here is entirely
>>>>>> flotsam,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I assure this was not always the case. By the same token, being
>>>>>> an open
>>>>>> forum, its very nature encourages differing opinions. You would
>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>> to simply read press releases that all tow a singular party line?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 90% of the comments on this so called "Gathering" forum is dross
>>>>>>> anyway, you either get trolls, thread spoilers or what I would
>>>>>>> term
>>>>>>> "aggressors". Perhaps it is because I am tired or reading
>>>>>>> bitching
>>>>>>> on here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:08, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you fail to contribute, you rob yourself of the right to
>>>>>>>> bitch
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is hardly surprising I don't post much on here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:04, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I ever asserted that my opinion WAS the
>>>>>>>>>> only one
>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> did, I'd appreciate it if you cited same before casting said
>>>>>>>>>> aspersion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, it's not my fault that you don't contribute
>>>>>>>>>> enough to
>>>>>>>>>> re-establish
>>>>>>>>>> the rich tapestry of varied opinions that the Gathering
>>>>>>>>>> used to be
>>>>>>>>>> influx
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> insanity and ennui took over.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't started a debate before? Just saying. Length and
>>>>>>>>>>> repetition only adds to the tension in songs on Hosannas
>>>>>>>>>>> in my
>>>>>>>>>>> opinion, like some of KJs early stuff, which is also built
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> repetition. Yours is not the only opinion on here,
>>>>>>>>>>> surprisingly
>>>>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:58, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dated or not, at least NIGHTTIME has fully-fleshed out,
>>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>>> songs
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really want to start this debate again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nighttime
>>>>>>>>>>>>> album
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much you love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hosannas"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:42, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the Coles recognition is really the only silver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm unaware that the entire back catalog was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhumed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remastered and re-released (well, apart from KJ03 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOPELESSANNAS)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Neil Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, nice to see Colesy get a mention. Here's hoping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To paraphrase Winston Churchill:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Killing Joke will always do the right thing - after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhausted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the alternatives."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 May 2011 23:26, Rheinhold Squeegee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kjlist at live.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.killingjoke.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WEBSITE COMING SOON
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> European Dates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jun Poland Warsaw Sonisphere Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12 Jun Germany Leipzig Wave Gotik Treffen Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Jul Denmark Roskilde Festival Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8 Jul UK Knebworth Sonisphere Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22 Jul Finland Helsinki Tuska Open Air Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31 Jul Holland Utrecht Summer Darknes Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke News
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below we’ve got plenty of news for you from Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open that box we’re really pleased to bring you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘European
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> State’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month, our new single available on CD, 12” coloured
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vinyl and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download. The formats of the new single are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’ (edit)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ‘Kali Yuga’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘Ghosts Of Ladbroke Grove’ (Dub Mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. ‘European Super State’ (Dub Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12” vinyl – 290 numbered copies available exclusively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.whatrecords.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ‘European Super State’ (Dub Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Clive Goddard Extended mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digital Download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ‘European Super State’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ‘European Super State’ (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ‘European Super State’ (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ‘European Super State’ (Clive Goddard extended mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the start of the year we announced a deal with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm/Universal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brand new studio album, which we’ll announce details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> summer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’re really excited to be back working with the label
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dissent, and we’re also glad to announce they’ll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the back catalogue which we will be repackaging and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course of the next year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was great to see so many of you in London,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nottingham and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manchester,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at the Camden Crawl recently, for our big return to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the full original line-up. As you may know, Jaz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retired to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barrier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Island, Paul to New York, Geordie to Prague and Youth to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andulucia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release of ‘European Super State’ we’re all very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to a massive summer ahead. We’ll have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more UK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> festival
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come soon as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We’ve also got something very special to announce for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fans of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke live show. Following our show at the Royal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Festival Hall,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompanied by stunning visuals designed by Mr. Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coles, an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artistic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> genius and longtime Killing Joke collaborator, we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance will be released as the definitive Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have many ways to get hold of a copy, the details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we’ll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce in early June.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The band are already working on the new album and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underway for our European Tour starting in June which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a full summer of festivals, taking in Roskilde and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonisphere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is however with great regret that Killing Joke have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancel the upcoming US dates due to health issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> band.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be back to the States very soon and appreciate all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is going to be an incredible year for Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to the future, and seeing you all at our shows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Killing Joke.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Written on May 19, 2011 at 1:58 pm, by admin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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