[kj] Yiggers at Porn....

[Alexander Smith]

Seems a bit late in the day to be worrying about Killing Joke's  
"accessibility." If you wanted to tar them with that brush, one could  
argue that their mid-to-late 80's period were their most shameless in  
that respect.

In 2010, I don't think Killing Joke harbor too many illusions about  
becoming suddenly mega-successful. When the charts are ruled by pop  
the likes of which makes their 80's contemporaries like Bucks Fizz and  
Wham sounds like Crass by comparison, I doubt the Joke are expecting  
to get put in regular FM radio rotation. Sure --- recruiting Dave  
Grohl to handle the sticks a couple of albums back seems like a grasp  
towards relevance, but I don't think it really catapulted them anywhere.

I think ABSOLUTE DISSENT was simply the music the band feels  
comfortable making. At this stage of the proceedings, they were  
*never* going to put out an unlistenable, "inaccessible" record (the  
closest they've come to that might be HOSANNAS -- which wasn't so much  
inaccessible as underproduced). At the end of the day, Killing Joke  
were never slackjawed noise-merchants. They're musicians. Aggressive?  
Yes, but to expect something non-melodic out of them seems a bit  
unrealistic.

Alex in NYC


On Jan 17, 2011, at 10:04 AM, andrew scott wrote:


> What do I mean by too accessible?  Perhaps the fact that it sounds  

> like hard alternative rock that the music community should be into  

> rather than far-out weirdo stuff or even things like Extremities,  

> which to b honest had much deeper effect on me.  But maybe was just  

> the time of life & the prevailing climate that added to that.   

> Whilst I think Absolute Dissent is great LP not sure if I would  

> class it in my higher echelons of listening pleasure.  Only time  

> will tell.  It certainly has its moments.  As I said it is  

> accesssible enough to be more widely loved I believe.

>

> The Fungus Moth.

>

> Challenging the Future.

>

>

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> > wrote:

>

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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Message: 1

> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:38:41 -0800 (PST)

> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Triggers at Yawn...

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>     <gathering at misera.net>

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>

> > ..Killing Joke have become too accessible with this LP.??

> ?

> ?? What exactly do you mean by "too accessible"? Sounds?like more  

> "gettable" but

> thought I'd ask.

>

>

>

>

> ?

>

> ________________________________

> From: andrew scott <brandymoth at yahoo.co.uk>

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 7:33:12 AM

> Subject: Re: [kj] Triggers at Yawn...

>

>

> That is so pathetic not really worth commenting on but I will.? If  

> someone

> slagged off Killing Joke I would just feel sorry for?their lack of? 

> musical

> insight, but wow u must really love those arseholes.? I?am entitled  

> to say

> exactly what I want & I will say it again.? For me Big Country were  

> utter shit!?

> Number one albums means nothing to me, so I guess we are very  

> different people.?

> In fact I think Killing Joke have become too accessible with this  

> LP.? More

> underground the better. And I don't like K Bushes music either.? So  

> stuff it up

> yer haggis!?

>

> The Fungus Moth.

> ?

> Challenging the Future.

>

> --- On Wed, 12/1/11, gathering-request at misera.net <gathering-request at misera.net 

> >

> wrote:

>

>

> >From: gathering-request at misera.net <gathering-request at misera.net>

> >Subject: Gathering Digest, Vol 90, Issue 28

> >To: gathering at misera.net

> >Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 20:58

> >

> >

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> >???1. Re: Scott Shite (OT) (Paul Rangecroft)

> >???2. Re: Turn your knobs up to '11 poll (Peter Moltesen)

> >???3. Re: Scott Shite (OT) (Rob Moss)

> >???4. Re: Scott Shite (OT) (GREG SLAWSON)

> >???5. Re: Knobs (GREG SLAWSON)

> >

> >

> > 

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> >Message: 1

> >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:37:04 +0000

> >From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>

> >Subject: Re: [kj] Scott Shite (OT)

> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> >??? <gathering at misera.net>

> >Message-ID:

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> >

> >Fuck off you ignorant prick!

> >

> >If anyone else is mean about Big Country I'll shove a bagpipe so  

> far up

> >their arse they'll be able to play it themselves.

> >

> >They had a number one album, worked with Kate Bush and shared a  

> stage with

> >KJ. At a time when it was all synths and haircuts they wrote real  

> music

> >about working-class themes and played it on real instruments.

> >

> >Plus two of them were English.

> >

> >Don't speak ill of the dead muthafucka. How would you like it if  

> you were on

> >another list and every time KJ were mentioned someone said how shit  

> they

> >were and what a cunt Raven was?

> >

> >

> >On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:33 PM, andrew scott  

> <brandymoth at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> >

> >> Here I go again!!? Wow, I remember Big Country, of course, from my

> >> formative years, TOTP, J Peel, Zigzag etc etc.? They were  

> shite!!? Utter

> >> shite!!? Again in my own opinion.? I also recall getting quite  

> aggressive in

> >> my virulent dislike of them when I was 18 & I was relatively calm  

> then!!

> >> Please talk about better music!

> >>

> >> As for M Atkins, well whatever people think of him? I have utmost  

> respect

> >> for his drumming!!? He added that extra explosion to Extremities  

> & all

> >> Murder Inc, Damage Manual recordings are superb of course as well  

> as some

> >> Pigface.? There we go!

> >>

> >>

> >> The Fungus Moth.

> >>

> >> Challenging the Future.

> >>

> >>

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> >Message: 2

> >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:38:16 -0000

> >From: "Peter Moltesen" <sneakypete at uwclub.net>

> >Subject: Re: [kj] Turn your knobs up to '11 poll

> >To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)'"

> >??? <gathering at misera.net>

> >Message-ID: <20110112204800.6468C10535 at mailwash5.pair.com>

> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Name: Peter Moltesen

> >

> >Model: 1964 - 2 door, 3 litre V8

> >

> >Special power: an ability to lose my temper with inanimate objects

> >

> >Best film(s) you saw last year (not necessarily released last year):

> >

> >Best TV show(s)/series you watched last year: Fresh Blood, Never  

> Mind the

> >Buzzcocks, Mock the Week, The Mighty Boosh (I'm a latecomer to this),

> >Coronation Street,

> >

> >

> >Best album(s) & single(s): last year was very good for music, for  

> starters:

> >

> >

> >

> >KJ - Absolute Dissent,

> >

> >Various -Leader of the Starry Skies (The Tim Smith songbook),

> >

> >Bardo Pond - Bardo Pond

> >

> >White Hills - pretty much everything they released

> >

> >GNOD - ditto

> >

> >Tristeza - Paisajes

> >

> >Various - In Search of Hawkwind

> >

> >Mugstar - Sun, Broken

> >

> >Hawkwind - Blood of the Earth. Far better than anything they've  

> done in at

> >least the last 25 years

> >

> >Sun Araw - On Patrol

> >

> >Magic Lantern - Platoon

> >

> >Best book(s) you've read:

> >

> >

> >

> >Electric Eden - Rob Young

> >

> >

> >

> >Best gig(s):

> >

> >

> >

> >Hawkwind.?

> >

> >Wooden Shjips

> >

> >White Hills

> >

> >GNOD

> >

> >Best stand-up (gigs or TV, DVD etc): I really liked Frankie Boyle  

> until I

> >saw 'Tramadol Nights' which was so unbelievably shit & unfunny,?

> >

> >Tim Vine makes me laugh too, and Bill Bailey

> >

> >Worst TV show(s)/series:? Frankie Boyle's Tramadol Nights, apart  

> from that

> >theres the endless "Celebrity" / reality / cookery / property porn  

> tv that

> >passes for entertainment these days - do we REALLY need X Factor on  

> both

> >Saturday and Sunday evenings ? Well - do we ???

> >

> >

> >

> >Best Film - not seen many films this year, but Toy Story 3 gets  

> Jack's vote

> >

> >Any other highlights/low-points:

> >

> >

> >

> >High -? watching my little boy, Jack, grow up

> >

> >Watching the Sun set in the Florida Keys

> >

> >Going to Stonehenge for the Summer Solstice again

> >

> >Snow at Christmas and being able to take Jack sledging in Sutton  

> Park?

> >

> >

> >

> >Low - the continued ill health of my dad

> >

> >the continued ill health of Cardiacs' Tim Smith

> >

> >The death of Ronnie James Dio

> >

> >Nick Clegg

> >

> >How going to gigs is becoming almost prohibitively expensive these  

> days

> >

> >Ditto going to the pub

> >

> >The steady decline of the record shop. There is no longer an  

> independent

> >record shop in Birmingham City Centre. Not a single solitary one.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >If you had to live your life by a single motto, what would that be?

> >Bleeding Head good, Healed Head bad

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Best Film - not seen many films this year, but Toy Story 3 gets  

> Jack's vote

> >

> >

> >Twitter or Facebook? Facebook

> >

> >Hero of 2010: Julian Assange, Lemmy

> >

> >Zero of 2010:

> >

> >Jordan, or whatever her name is

> >

> >Nick Clegg

> >

> >The Tea Party

> >

> >Any resolutions for this year: no

> >

> >What were your childhood ambitions? Have you managed to fulfil any  

> or all of

> >them?

> >

> >Spitfire Pilot ? no

> >

> >Astronaut ?? nope

> >

> >Long Distance Lorry Driver ? no

> >

> >

> >

> >That's a 'no' on all 3 counts, then

> >

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> Message: 2

> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:46:26 -0800 (PST)

> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Triggers at Yawn...

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>     <gathering at misera.net>

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>

> Ugh! the only thing worse than others?relentlessly quoting  

> "Eighties" (after I

> cite KJ as my fave)?is for others then to either or also quote "Love  

> Like Blood"

> and for toppers to say it like *I'm* the waking Anachronism.?

> A quick?reply?that KJ?has released?3 albums in the last 7 years puts

> the?Clueless shoe?on the other foot (theirs).

>

> ?

> ... ... ... ... ... ...

>

> [looking at the current?state of things..]

> ?

> 'Who has the fun..

> ? ..is it?always a man with a gun...?

> ??? Someone must have told him if you work too hard... you can sweat"?

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Michael Garcia <sandstorm_mg at yahoo.com>

> To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>; A list about all things  

> Killing Joke

> (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 11:03:44 AM

> Subject: Re: [kj] Triggers at Yawn...

>

>

> Yes, the standard "eighties" reference I've heard far too many times.?

>

> Michael

>

> www.thor_recording at yahoo.com

> www.myspace.com/pleasureandpainmusic

> Skype: dragonfly_mg

>

> On Jan 14, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>  

> wrote:

>

>

> Here in the States -- even here in ever hip NYC -- whenever I invoke  

> Killing

> Joke as "my favorite band," most ?people either stare at me blankly  

> or cite

> "Eighties."

>

> >That all said, most people are stupid.

> >Alex in NYC

> >

> >

> >

> >?

> >-----Original Message-----

> >>From: GREG SLAWSON

> >>Sent: Jan 14, 2011 1:49 PM

> >>To: gathering

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Triggers at Yawn...

> >>

> >>Try coming to the US--the Joke are pretty underground here. "Joke  

> who? Killing

> >>what??Oh, you mean Killing Joe?"

> >>

> >>For some reason bands like Joy Division and even Gang of Four are  

> much better

> >>remembered.

> >>?

> >>________________________________

> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:33:12 +0000

> >>From: brandymoth at yahoo.co.uk

> >>To: gathering at misera.net

> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Triggers at Yawn...

> >>

> >>

> >>That is so pathetic not really worth commenting on but I will.? If  

> someone

> >>slagged off Killing Joke I would just feel sorry for?their lack of? 

> musical

> >>insight, but wow u must really love those arseholes.? I?am  

> entitled to say

> >>exactly what I want & I will say it again.? For me Big Country  

> were utter shit!?

> >>Number one albums means nothing to me, so I guess we are very  

> different people.?

> >>In fact I think Killing Joke have become too accessible with this  

> LP.? More

> >>underground the better. And I don't like K Bushes music either.?  

> So stuff it up

> >>yer haggis!?

> >>

> >>The Fungus Moth.

> >>?

> >>Challenging the Future.

> >>

> >>--- On Wed, 12/1/11, gathering-request at misera.net <gathering-request at misera.net 

> >

> >>wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>>From: gathering-request at misera.net <gathering-request at misera.net>

> >>>Subject: Gathering Digest, Vol 90, Issue 28

> >>>To: gathering at misera.net

> >>>Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 20:58

> >>>

> >>>

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> >>>

> >>>???1. Re: Scott Shite (OT) (Paul Rangecroft)

> >>>???2. Re: Turn your knobs up to '11 poll (Peter Moltesen)

> >>>???3. Re: Scott Shite (OT) (Rob Moss)

> >>>???4. Re: Scott Shite (OT) (GREG SLAWSON)

> >>>???5. Re: Knobs (GREG SLAWSON)

> >>>

> >>>

> > 

> > 

> > 

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> >>>

> >>>Message: 1

> >>>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:37:04 +0000

> >>>From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>

> >>>Subject: Re: [kj] Scott Shite (OT)

> >>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> >>>??? <gathering at misera.net>

> >>>Message-ID:

> >>>??? <AANLkTi=eRhu7VSh05h6AMMwtF8M1qbE-jMYv8pfidb4D at mail.gmail.com>

> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

> >>>

> >>>Fuck off you ignorant prick!

> >>>

> >>>If anyone else is mean about Big Country I'll shove a bagpipe so  

> far up

> >>>their arse they'll be able to play it themselves.

> >>>

> >>>They had a number one album, worked with Kate Bush and shared a  

> stage with

> >>>KJ. At a time when it was all synths and haircuts they wrote real  

> music

> >>>about working-class themes and played it on real instruments.

> >>>

> >>>Plus two of them were English.

> >>>

> >>>Don't speak ill of the dead muthafucka. How would you like it if  

> you were on

> >>>another list and every time KJ were mentioned someone said how  

> shit they

> >>>were and what a cunt Raven was?

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:33 PM, andrew scott <brandymoth at yahoo.co.uk 

> >wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> Here I go again!!? Wow, I remember Big Country, of course, from  

> my

> >>>> formative years, TOTP, J Peel, Zigzag etc etc.? They were  

> shite!!? Utter

> >>>> shite!!? Again in my own opinion.? I also recall getting quite  

> aggressive

> in

> >>>> my virulent dislike of them when I was 18 & I was relatively  

> calm then!!

> >>>> Please talk about better music!

> >>>>

> >>>> As for M Atkins, well whatever people think of him? I have  

> utmost respect

> >>>> for his drumming!!? He added that extra explosion to  

> Extremities & all

> >>>> Murder Inc, Damage Manual recordings are superb of course as  

> well as some

> >>>> Pigface.? There we go!

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> The Fungus Moth.

> >>>>

> >>>> Challenging the Future.

> >>>>

> >>>>

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> >>>Message: 2

> >>>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:38:16 -0000

> >>>From: "Peter Moltesen" <sneakypete at uwclub.net>

> >>>Subject: Re: [kj] Turn your knobs up to '11 poll

> >>>To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)'"

> >>>??? <gathering at misera.net>

> >>>Message-ID: <20110112204800.6468C10535 at mailwash5.pair.com>

> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Name: Peter Moltesen

> >>>

> >>>Model: 1964 - 2 door, 3 litre V8

> >>>

> >>>Special power: an ability to lose my temper with inanimate objects

> >>>

> >>>Best film(s) you saw last year (not necessarily released last  

> year):

> >>>

> >>>Best TV show(s)/series you watched last year: Fresh Blood, Never  

> Mind the

> >>>Buzzcocks, Mock the Week, The Mighty Boosh (I'm a latecomer to  

> this),

> >>>Coronation Street,

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Best album(s) & single(s): last year was very good for music, for  

> starters:

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>KJ - Absolute Dissent,

> >>>

> >>>Various -Leader of the Starry Skies (The Tim Smith songbook),

> >>>

> >>>Bardo Pond - Bardo Pond

> >>>

> >>>White Hills - pretty much everything they released

> >>>

> >>>GNOD - ditto

> >>>

> >>>Tristeza - Paisajes

> >>>

> >>>Various - In Search of Hawkwind

> >>>

> >>>Mugstar - Sun, Broken

> >>>

> >>>Hawkwind - Blood of the Earth. Far better than anything they've  

> done in at

> >>>least the last 25 years

> >>>

> >>>Sun Araw - On Patrol

> >>>

> >>>Magic Lantern - Platoon

> >>>

> >>>Best book(s) you've read:

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Electric Eden - Rob Young

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Best gig(s):

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Hawkwind.?

> >>>

> >>>Wooden Shjips

> >>>

> >>>White Hills

> >>>

> >>>GNOD

> >>>

> >>>Best stand-up (gigs or TV, DVD etc): I really liked Frankie Boyle  

> until I

> >>>saw 'Tramadol Nights' which was so unbelievably shit & unfunny,?

> >>>

> >>>Tim Vine makes me laugh too, and Bill Bailey

> >>>

> >>>Worst TV show(s)/series:? Frankie Boyle's Tramadol Nights, apart  

> from that

> >>>theres the endless "Celebrity" / reality / cookery / property  

> porn tv that

> >>>passes for entertainment these days - do we REALLY need X Factor  

> on both

> >>>Saturday and Sunday evenings ? Well - do we ???

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Best Film - not seen many films this year, but Toy Story 3 gets  

> Jack's vote

> >>>

> >>>Any other highlights/low-points:

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>High -? watching my little boy, Jack, grow up

> >>>

> >>>Watching the Sun set in the Florida Keys

> >>>

> >>>Going to Stonehenge for the Summer Solstice again

> >>>

> >>>Snow at Christmas and being able to take Jack sledging in Sutton  

> Park?

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Low - the continued ill health of my dad

> >>>

> >>>the continued ill health of Cardiacs' Tim Smith

> >>>

> >>>The death of Ronnie James Dio

> >>>

> >>>Nick Clegg

> >>>

> >>>How going to gigs is becoming almost prohibitively expensive  

> these days

> >>>

> >>>Ditto going to the pub

> >>>

> >>>The steady decline of the record shop. There is no longer an  

> independent

> >>>record shop in Birmingham City Centre. Not a single solitary one.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>If you had to live your life by a single motto, what would that be?

> >>>Bleeding Head good, Healed Head bad

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Best Film - not seen many films this year, but Toy Story 3 gets  

> Jack's vote

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>Twitter or Facebook? Facebook

> >>>

> >>>Hero of 2010: Julian Assange, Lemmy

> >>>

> >>>Zero of 2010:

> >>>

> >>>Jordan, or whatever her name is

> >>>

> >>>Nick Clegg

> >>>

> >>>The Tea Party

> >>>

> >>>Any resolutions for this year: no

> >>>

> >>>What were your childhood ambitions? Have you managed to fulfil  

> any or all of

> >>>them?

> >>>

> >>>Spitfire Pilot ? no

> >>>

> >>>Astronaut ?? nope

> >>>

> >>>Long Distance Lorry Driver ? no

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>That's a 'no' on all 3 counts, then

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

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