[kj] OT: Lydon, US v UK punk

[Darren A. Peace]

Like Yes, then?

Darren
Hungerford, UK

On 2 Feb 2011, at 23:34, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:


> Needlessly noodley. Rife with ridiculous roccocco flourish. An emphasis on the presentation of musical chops over actual listenability.

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> Alex in NYC

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> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Lydon, US v UK punk 

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> As hard as it may be to spot or even define prog-rock, what in the heck is "gratuitous Prog?"

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> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

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> Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 6:12:24 AM

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Lydon, US v UK punk

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> We've been over this too many times.

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> Had there not been the Stooges, the Velvet Underground, the Modern Lovers, the MC5 and the Ramones (all Yanks), there would not have been a UK punk. Yes, British Punk evolved into an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THING, but one inarguably led to the other. Full stop.

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> As much as I love Television, though, I never thought they were particularly "punk" (by any definition).  Art-rockers who dressed like junkies but played a brand of floridly ornate guitar rock that isn't any less masturbatory than the most gratuitous prog.

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> Alex in NYC

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> On Feb 2, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Jim Harper wrote:

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>> I think it's obvious there was in NYC there was a creative vital and original musical movement happening in the late 70s. But much as I love Talking Heads, Blondie and the mighty Television, I have a really hard time connecting it with the UK punk movement. I don't know if he came to the UK, but in '76 Verlaine would probably have been burned at the stake...

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>> Just my thoughts...

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>> Jim.

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>> --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>> Oh yes -- `cos Lydon's ALWAYS been ENTIRELY CORRECT and ACCURATE ABOUT ABSOLUTELY *EVERY*THING, hasn't he?

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>> Alex in NYC

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>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:57 AM, Rob Moss wrote:

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>>> Quite right. 

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>>> Punk rock. 

>>> America. 

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>>> Silly idea. 

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>>> On 2 Feb 2011, at 08:25, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com> wrote:

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>>>> I'm not trying to fan the flames of this debate as I don't personally have an interest. However, I like history, so for the punk historians on the board, from today's '60 second' interview in the Metro:

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>>>> Q: If the Pistols hadn't existed, would punk have happened?

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>>>> A: No. There's confusion about this from people who should know better. Whatever was happening in New York was being done by much older people than us who were interested in the poetry of Rimbaud or glam rock - which isn't where we were. Older acts claimed it came from them first, which isn't right.

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>>>> Apart from that, he says he's releasing a book called Mr Rotten's Scrapbook, limited edition, 750 copies, £449 (that's not a typo!). He also says the butter adverts funded the PiL tours. 

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>>>> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:06:27 -0800

>>>> From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com

>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] What is God disappeared?

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>>>> Bullshit!  *wink-wink* I mean, Brighter Than A Thousand Suns!

>>>>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hvD4#t=2m57s

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>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPDaz6uO9Ps

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>>>> From: Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com>

>>>> To: Gatherers Killing Joke Gatherers <gathering at misera.net>

>>>> Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 6:26:01 AM

>>>> Subject: [kj] What is God disappeared?

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>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hvD4

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>>>> KNOW YE, HEATHEN HORDES OF GATHERERS, WHAT OUR WORLD WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THE CREATOR DID A LORD-LUCAN!!!

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