[kj] OT: Lydon, US v UK punk

Brendan bq at soundgardener.co.nz
Wed Feb 2 19:20:04 EST 2011

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A perfect example being Dream Theatre.

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> <P>Needlessly noodley. Rife with ridiculous roccocco flourish. An emphasis

> on the presentation of musical chops over actual listenability.</P>

> <P>Alex in NYC<BR><BR><BR></P>

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> MARGIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: sade1

> <SAULOMAR1 at YAHOO.COM><BR>Sent: Feb 2, 2011 6:08 PM <BR>To: "A list about

> all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <GATHERING at MISERA.NET><BR>Subject:

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> <DIV>As hard as it may be to spot or even define prog-rock, what

> in the heck is "gratuitous Prog?"<BR></DIV>

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> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Alexander Smith

> <vassifer at earthlink.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:

> bold">To:</SPAN></B> A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> <gathering at misera.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:

> bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, February 2, 2011 6:12:24 AM<BR><B><SPAN

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> <DIV>We've been over this too many times.</DIV>

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> <DIV>Had there not been the Stooges, the Velvet Underground, the Modern

> Lovers, the MC5 and the Ramones (all Yanks), there would not have been a

> UK punk. Yes, British Punk evolved into an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THING, but

> one inarguably led to the other. Full stop.</DIV>

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> <DIV>As much as I love Television, though, I never thought they were

> particularly "punk" (by any definition).  Art-rockers who dressed

> like junkies but played a brand of floridly ornate guitar rock that isn't

> any less masturbatory than the most gratuitous prog.</DIV>

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> <DIV>Alex in NYC</DIV>

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> <DIV>On Feb 2, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Jim Harper wrote:</DIV><BR

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> <DIV>I think it's obvious there was in NYC there was a creative vital and

> original musical movement happening in the late 70s. But much as I love

> Talking Heads, Blondie and the mighty Television, I have a really hard

> time connecting it with the UK punk movement. I don't know if he came to

> the UK, but in '76 Verlaine would probably have been burned at the

> stake...</DIV>

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> <DIV>Just my thoughts...</DIV>

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> <DIV>Jim.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 2/2/11, Alexander Smith <I><<A

> href="mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank

> ymailto="mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net">vassifer at earthlink.net</A>></I></B>

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> <DIV>Oh yes -- `cos Lydon's ALWAYS been ENTIRELY CORRECT and ACCURATE

> ABOUT ABSOLUTELY *EVERY*THING, hasn't he?</DIV>

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> <DIV>Alex in NYC</DIV>

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> <DIV>On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:57 AM, Rob Moss wrote:</DIV><BR

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> <DIV>Quite right. </DIV>

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> <DIV>Punk rock. </DIV>

> <DIV>America. </DIV>

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> <DIV>Silly idea. </DIV>

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> <DIV><BR>On 2 Feb 2011, at 08:25, nicholas fitzpatrick <<A

> href="http://uk.mc259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gasw30@hotmail.com"

> rel=nofollow target=_blank>gasw30 at hotmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>

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> <DIV>I'm not trying to fan the flames of this debate as I don't personally

> have an interest. However, I like history, so for the punk historians on

> the board, from today's '60 second' interview in the Metro:<BR><BR>Q: If

> the Pistols hadn't existed, would punk have happened?<BR><BR><I>A: No.

> There's confusion about this from people who should know better. Whatever

> was happening in New York was being done by much older people than us who

> were interested in the poetry of Rimbaud or glam rock - which isn't where

> we were. Older acts claimed it came from them first, which isn't

> right.</I><BR><BR>Apart from that, he says he's releasing a book called Mr

> Rotten's Scrapbook, limited edition, 750 copies, Â£449 (that's not a

> typo!). He also says the butter adverts funded the PiL tours.<SPAN

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> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:06:27 -0800<BR>From:<SPAN

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> rel=nofollow target=_blank>gathering at misera.net</A><BR>Subject: Re: [kj]

> What is God disappeared?<BR><BR>

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> <DIV>Bullshit!  *wink-wink* I mean, Brighter Than A Thousand

> Suns!<BR> <A

> href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hvD4#t=2m57s" rel=nofollow

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> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN

> class=yiv1059395154Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Paul Wady <<A

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> 2011 6:26:01 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:

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> class=yiv1059395154Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[kj] What is God

> disappeared?<BR></FONT><BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hvD4

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> class=yiv1059395154ecxApple-style-span color=#c00000>KNOW YE, HEATHEN

> HORDES OF GATHERERS, WHAT OUR WORLD WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THE CREATOR DID A

> LORD-LUCAN!!!</FONT></SPAN></B></FONT></DIV>

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