[kj] New Interview with Jaz Wherein He Discourses at Length on a Variety ...

[sade1]

I don't believe in politicians who make sense; they're full of shit, as far as 
I'm concerned.

=)



j/k
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'Save the Earth... 
  it's the only planet with chocolate.



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From: "jpwhkj at aol.com" <jpwhkj at aol.com>
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 12:56:13 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] New Interview with Jaz Wherein He Discourses at Length on a 
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Someone I know and have come to respect over many long conversations mentioned a 
speech by Ron Paul that he felt was spot on.  I was so surprised that I had to 
check he was talking about the Republican senator.  Anyway, seeing my disbelief, 
he sent me a link, and I watched the speech.  Remarkably, the man was talking a 
lot of sense.  I didn't agree with some of his conclusions - and I was also 
aware that there were areas where I just didn't know enough to agree or 
disagree.  But he certainly wasn't the loon that I'd always assumed him to be.  
(I was particularly surprised to hear him say that the Iraqi weapons of mass 
destruction thing was a lie.)

The moral of this story - for me - is that whether someone is left wing or right 
wing [or other categories] does not necessarily dictate the validity of their 
discourse.

Jamie




-----Original Message-----
From: Devacor at aol.com
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Sent: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 17:12
Subject: Re: [kj] New Interview with Jaz Wherein He Discourses at Length on a 
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I really don’t see how calling out the federal reserve issue is a "loon" flag or 
topic- - What are you basing that on? Do you have some other information you 
would like to share on the subject? It doesn’t have to be ones cup of tea, but 
it’s a valid topic. 

 
"If the American People knew exactly how the monetary and banking system worked, 
there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning"   Abraham Lincoln. 

 
I’m not nec into glen beck at all (a mainstream alex jones clone that's not 
worth lumping together with alex jones) and im not so into the delivery of Alex 
Jones, but to just downplay what Jones say and pigeon hole it as nutter, 
paranoid, conspiracy etc is well- ill let the quote speak. "Condemnation without 
investigation is the height of ignorance" - albert einstien 

 
but unless you've thoroughly investigated these area and have opposing views 
based on facts and research on alex jones topics, then that's cool. but all this 
labeling and pigeonholing seems to be the antithesis of punk rock. 

 
with some of Jaz' and the bands moves early on, they were very young, extremely 
intelligent,  drugs and having ego constantly fed in a rock star fashion. Given 
this combo it led to some hyper focusing and extreme thinking. It easy to label 
him a ‘nutter’ after that and even now. 

 
 But his general ideology was/is no different then top (ivy league and/or highly 
educated) top advisors, mentors, persons high up in politics, business leaders, 
and public figures I know.
 
To mention the word ‘conspiracy theory’  or theorist’ in regard to a topic or 
person is the same as like saying ‘the in laws’ – it draws up a certain 
connotation , but has nothing to do with the actual case to case instance- its 
an easy way to dismiss things and push things aside that one doesn’t want to 
take the mental time to investigate- but what is that based on – our ‘left wing 
box’ , ‘right wing box’, ‘punk box’ , ‘skinhead box’ , ‘old school box’  hipster 
box’, ‘jock box’ – 

 
So lets try to not throw baby (topics) out with the bathwater ( persons who are 
relaying the info) and lets try to think outside these boxes…   

 
one of the most intelligent things someone can utter 'hmm, i dunno- I havent 
looked into that topic deeply enough to have an opinion one way or another..."
 
Adam
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/7/2011 11:28:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
b.oliver.sheppard at gmail.com writes:
Yeah, I know he's a nutter, pretty much. (Oddly likable anyway, for me, though. 
- I have the Geordie attitude of "What will you do this one?" about him :) )) 
The "green" stuff isn't new -- permaculture, etc. But he's wed that to the 
survivalist/gold bug nuttery that is common currency on the US conspiranoid 
right, right now, thanks in large part to Glenn Beck and Alex Jones. Maybe he's 
unaware that's the discourse in the States -- insisting on hard currency is 
basically waving your Ron Paul/Glenn Beck loon flag, here, in line with having a 
hard on for the Federal Reserve -- but to an ear saturated in current US 
political arguments, it sounds almost Tea Party-esque, like waiting to demand 
proof of Obama's birth certificate.

>

>-0liver

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