[kj] Subject: Re: You are a thief

[Peter LAMB]

Got to agree with this. Luxon told me that I was going to be refunded. Never happened. The cancelled gigs this year cost me close to a grand. But I will still buy...

Best regards,
Peter Lamb
Nottingham University Business School
University of Nottingham
Ningbo
China


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   4. Re: You are a thief (Simon Abinett)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:57:00 +0000
From: Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief
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Have to disagree on the Gems of Power, if you take peoples money and then don't bother to send them what they have paid for then they need to be refunded said monies. Matt stole our money made some interest on it and refused to refund anyone that to me is definetly theft!









From: fluke1 at live.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:01:24 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief




I ve left the U.K.
I noticed that a lot of people seem to be dying , and it dawned on me that my time will come soon, so I'll let those Eastern Europeans build the houses and I packed up and am travelling around the World . I am going to find somewhere that I like and live there . I may try to find a rainforest in Indonesia that doesnt have any large spiders , I f'kin hate spiders .
  Anyway , I agree that most people on the Gathering will buy the album , but the casual music fan may just download it and not bother buying it upon its release .
Gems of power and cancelled gigs are not deliberate acts of theft , they are projects that didnt materialise . The original intention wasnt to steal or to deceive . Unlike the taking of the music, which is deliberately taking something that you have no right to take .






From: rob.moss at gmx.com
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:42:37 +0100
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief


Pete!


Wondered where you were! Spectacular re-entry frothing at the mouth.


Every fuckers gonna buy this. You know it!


By the way, when you talk about thievery in the future think about Gems
Of Power and all the money wasted on cancelled gigs.


Copy us in your email to the band won't you?




Back on your horse! Giddy up!








On 10 Sep 2010, at 07:34, "F. Luke" <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:




  "THIS asks for NO info and you just download...like it should be."



   If the band do not recuperate the monies spent on recording the album, then who do you suggest should pay for the expense of making the album, let alone the band receiving money in order to venture into any more projects .
   Why do you feel that you have the right to obtain something for free ?
Whoever put it on rapidshare has done a huge disservice to the band , it was previously taken down for a reason and people should have respected this .
Would you feel happy if you spent over a year creating something that cost a lot of time and effort and expense and when you had completed it, people just came and took it without paying you for your work ?
   Its similar to walking down a street, seeing a new house and saying "That looks nice, I'm going to go and live there", jumping over the wall and then going to live there.
The album isnt yours to either give away for free or to download for free .
It is like stealing from family members .



From: alexih at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:37:42 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] In Excelcis leaked - Not up anymore!



    THANK YOU Phil!  I just got WAY overcharged for the Soulseek thing and couldn't find what I was looking for at all.  THIS asks for NO info and you just download...like it should be.




Sprinting along the freeway, brandishing a meaty axe, cometh Alexi! And she gives a bloodthirsty scream:

"Brace yourself, oh human speck of dust! I bring darkness and mayhem like a four-year-old on a sugar rampage!!!"






Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:11:33 +0100
From: phil.tofield at virgin.net
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] In Excelcis leaked - Not up anymore!


heres another download link

http://rapidshare.com/files/418088968/KJ-absolute_dissent.zip.html




On 9 September 2010 17:05, Javier Garcia <jagargal at lycos.com> wrote:

The file is no longer there. One day out of this mailing list and what kind of material you may loose!!

I solemnly promise -my right hand on my heart- i?ll buy the new record and the singles surrounding this new release.

Now: Could anybody help me here!?!?

All these past days I was thinking not download, not even listen, any more new tracks, in order to get an actual real "new CD"; but i really hate to read all your posts and have no idea of what you?re talking about. Bring it on please!

Javier
mexico city
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:55:39 +0200
From: "Rob Moss" <rob.moss at gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] So new album..where does it stand
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I think it mostly sits in with 2003 personally. It's got an uptempo vibe - nowehere near as dark as Hosannas.

But I can definitely see the pre-first album influences there, mainlu the guitar, as well as a couple of Night Time and even BTATS references (The Raven King reminds me a bit of Sanity).

Don't see much in the way of Revelations/Fire Dances in there. The drums are not very tribal.

But it's a great album - really enjoying the melody in there and the fact that Jaz sings on some of the tracks!

Good work fellas!





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Sent: 09/10/10 08:48 AM
To: A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)
Subject: [kj] So new album..where does it stand

stylistically?

Early days but for those who've downloaded it, what do you reckon it harks back to??
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:01:50 +0200
From: "Rob Moss" <rob.moss at gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief
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The album is going to be up on torrents anyway so the casual music fan will always get it.
The way it was leaked was very much a case of "you have to be in the know". A random search via torrent sites showed nothing for weeks- I know cos I tried.

As for Gems, it does exist! It materialised in as much as it was recorded and mastered. People were charged for something that was never delivered.
The fact that it's not all that good doesn't come into it.

Consider this one all Pete! The intention of everyone is to have a listen prior to release and then buy it.

Enjoy your travels. All power to you for talking the leap that so many of us are fearful of!


----- Original Message -----
From: F. Luke
Sent: 09/10/10 08:01 AM
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief

I ve left the U.K.
I noticed that a lot of people seem to be dying , and it dawned on me that my time will come soon, so I'll let those Eastern Europeans build the houses and I packed up and am travelling around the World . I am going to find somewhere that I like and live there . I may try to find a rainforest in Indonesia that doesnt have any large spiders , I f'kin hate spiders .
 Anyway , I agree that most people on the Gathering will buy the album , but the casual music fan may just download it and not bother buying it upon its release .
Gems of power and cancelled gigs are not deliberate acts of theft , they are projects that didnt materialise . The original intention wasnt to steal or to deceive . Unlike the taking of the music, which is deliberately taking something that you have no right to take .




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 From:  rob.moss at gmx.com
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:42:37 +0100
To:  gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief

Pete!

Wondered where you were! Spectacular re-entry frothing at the mouth.

Every fuckers gonna buy this. You know it!

By the way, when you talk about thievery in the future think about Gems
Of Power and all the money wasted on cancelled gigs.

Copy us in your email to the band won't you?

Back on your horse! Giddy up!




On 10 Sep 2010, at 07:34, "F. Luke" < fluke1 at live.co.uk > wrote:

 "THIS asks for NO info and you just download...like it should be."



 If the band do not recuperate the monies spent on recording the album, then who do you suggest should pay for the expense of making the album, let alone the band receiving money in order to venture into any more projects .
 Why do you feel that you have the right to obtain something for free ?
Whoever put it on rapidshare has done a huge disservice to the band , it was previously taken down for a reason and people should have respected this .
Would you feel happy if you spent over a year creating something that cost a lot of time and effort and expense and when you had completed it, people just came and took it without paying you for your work ?
 Its similar to walking down a street, seeing a new house and saying "That looks nice, I'm going to go and live there", jumping over the wall and then going to live there.
The album isnt yours to either give away for free or to download for free .
It is like stealing from family members .

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 From:  alexih at hotmail.com  alexih at hotmail.com
To:  gathering at misera.net  gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:37:42 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] In Excelcis leaked - Not up anymore!

 THANK YOU Phil! I just got WAY overcharged for the Soulseek thing and couldn't find what I was looking for at all. THIS asks for NO info and you just download...like it should be.


Sprinting along the freeway, brandishing a meaty axe, cometh  *Alexi*! And she gives a bloodthirsty scream:
"Brace yourself, oh human speck of dust! I bring darkness and mayhem like a four-year-old on a sugar rampage!!!"




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 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:11:33 +0100
From:  phil.tofield at virgin.net  phil.tofield at virgin.net
To:  gathering at misera.net  gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] In Excelcis leaked - Not up anymore!

heres another download link

 http://rapidshare.com/files/418088968/KJ-absolute_dissent.zip.html http://rapidshare.com/files/418088968/KJ-absolute_dissent.zip.html


On 9 September 2010 17:05, Javier Garcia < jagargal at lycos.com  jagargal at lycos.com > wrote:
The file is no longer there. One day out of this mailing list and what kind of material you may loose!!

I solemnly promise -my right hand on my heart- i?ll buy the new record and the singles surrounding this new release.

Now: Could anybody help me here!?!?

All these past days I was thinking not download, not even listen, any more new tracks, in order to get an actual real "new CD"; but i really hate to read all your posts and have no idea of what you?re talking about. Bring it on please!

Javier
mexico city
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:18:18 +0000
From: Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief
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Any chance of Gems being leaked , at least this way those that have been ripped off can get something back.









Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:01:50 +0200
From: rob.moss at gmx.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief





The album is going to be up on torrents anyway so the casual music fan will always get it.
The way it was leaked was very much a case of "you have to be in the know". A random search via torrent sites showed nothing for weeks- I know cos I tried.


As for Gems, it does exist! It materialised in as much as it was recorded and mastered. People were charged for something that was never delivered.
The fact that it's not all that good doesn't come into it.


Consider this one all Pete! The intention of everyone is to have a listen prior to release and then buy it.



Enjoy your travels. All power to you for talking the leap that so many of us are fearful of!






----- Original Message -----
From: F. Luke
Sent: 09/10/10 08:01 AM
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief

I ve left the U.K.
I noticed that a lot of people seem to be dying , and it dawned on me that my time will come soon, so I'll let those Eastern Europeans build the houses and I packed up and am travelling around the World . I am going to find somewhere that I like and live there . I may try to find a rainforest in Indonesia that doesnt have any large spiders , I f'kin hate spiders .
  Anyway , I agree that most people on the Gathering will buy the album , but the casual music fan may just download it and not bother buying it upon its release .
Gems of power and cancelled gigs are not deliberate acts of theft , they are projects that didnt materialise . The original intention wasnt to steal or to deceive . Unlike the taking of the music, which is deliberately taking something that you have no right to take .






From: rob.moss at gmx.com
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:42:37 +0100
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] You are a thief


Pete!


Wondered where you were! Spectacular re-entry frothing at the mouth.


Every fuckers gonna buy this. You know it!


By the way, when you talk about thievery in the future think about Gems
Of Power and all the money wasted on cancelled gigs.


Copy us in your email to the band won't you?




Back on your horse! Giddy up!








On 10 Sep 2010, at 07:34, "F. Luke" <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:




  "THIS asks for NO info and you just download...like it should be."



   If the band do not recuperate the monies spent on recording the album, then who do you suggest should pay for the expense of making the album, let alone the band receiving money in order to venture into any more projects .
   Why do you feel that you have the right to obtain something for free ?
Whoever put it on rapidshare has done a huge disservice to the band , it was previously taken down for a reason and people should have respected this .
Would you feel happy if you spent over a year creating something that cost a lot of time and effort and expense and when you had completed it, people just came and took it without paying you for your work ?
   Its similar to walking down a street, seeing a new house and saying "That looks nice, I'm going to go and live there", jumping over the wall and then going to live there.
The album isnt yours to either give away for free or to download for free .
It is like stealing from family members .



From: alexih at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:37:42 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] In Excelcis leaked - Not up anymore!



    THANK YOU Phil!  I just got WAY overcharged for the Soulseek thing and couldn't find what I was looking for at all.  THIS asks for NO info and you just download...like it should be.




Sprinting along the freeway, brandishing a meaty axe, cometh Alexi! And she gives a bloodthirsty scream:

"Brace yourself, oh human speck of dust! I bring darkness and mayhem like a four-year-old on a sugar rampage!!!"






Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 19:11:33 +0100
From: phil.tofield at virgin.net
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] In Excelcis leaked - Not up anymore!


heres another download link

http://rapidshare.com/files/418088968/KJ-absolute_dissent.zip.html




On 9 September 2010 17:05, Javier Garcia <jagargal at lycos.com> wrote:

The file is no longer there. One day out of this mailing list and what kind of material you may loose!!

I solemnly promise -my right hand on my heart- i?ll buy the new record and the singles surrounding this new release.

Now: Could anybody help me here!?!?

All these past days I was thinking not download, not even listen, any more new tracks, in order to get an actual real "new CD"; but i really hate to read all your posts and have no idea of what you?re talking about. Bring it on please!

Javier
mexico city
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