[kj] new cd

Dominico C dominicoc at hotmail.com
Wed Nov 24 23:47:53 EST 2010


I have to disagree, AD is better mixed. As a whole, the mix is more
consistent. There are a few tracks that I don't care for, but the album is
way more cohesive than Hossanas, even KJ 2003.


Obviously, having Youth and Big Paul in the process definitely makes KJ rise
alive, especially having BPF on drums. This World Hell actually is growing
on me. Honestly, I'm not really a fan of ESS. I did recall about 3 months
ago that Kalugya was part of the original track list for AD. Huh, probably
changes before its release... Still my favorite tracks are "End Game" and
"Ghosts"!

Hopefully looking forward to seeing KJ in Seattle in December!!

Don't get me wrong, I have to admit, there some great tracks from Hossanas.
But, yes, the mix was / is muddy.






"Great! The only gripe I have is the (admittedly listened to on the
overrated "Bose" cd player) muddy production. To me, it sounds

worse than Hossanas (which I think sounded ok for a dense heavy album).

Only other complaint--they should have replaced the inexplicably bad "This
World Hell" w/the nice RU Recieving remake "Kalyuga"--they must

have included the song for the lyrics.

Song that has started growing on me--"The Great Cull"--shockingly sad but
mostly true lyrics as well."

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Great! The only gripe I have is the (admittedly listened to on the overrated
"Bose" cd player) muddy production. To me, it sounds

worse than Hossanas (which I think sounded ok for a dense heavy album).

Only other complaint--they should have replaced the inexplicably bad "This
World Hell" w/the nice RU Recieving remake "Kalyuga"--they must

have included the song for the lyrics.

Song that has started growing on me--"The Great Cull"--shockingly sad but
mostly true lyrics as well.


> From: dominicoc at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:34:51 -0800

> Subject: Re: [kj] new cd

>

> Yeah, I know what you mean... Finally, I have my CD in my hands and I am

> elated! I ordered mine online with that special offer of ordering KJ AD

> and

> getting the autographed booklet! SWEET! I also wasn't interested in the

> cover versions. Perfectly happy with the album. IT ROCKS!

>

>

> "I'm now holding in may hands something I never thought I would: the new

> cd,

> just released in the US TODAY!

> I was too cheap (esp. after waiting so many month) to buy the slightly

> more

> expensive 2-cd, w/the crappy cover versions

> and 20-page booklet (what's on it anyway, KJ history? I already know

> that).

> At least the regular version has the lyrics--and it

> even thanks the Gatherers in the liner notes!"

>

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> 1. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (Mark Kolmar)

> 2. Re: ot- request kj manager (sade1)

> 3. Re: ot- request kj manager (Rob Moss)

> 4. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (bongo)

> 5. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (Rob Moss)

> 6. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (bongo)

> 7. Re: new cd (GREG SLAWSON)

>

>

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> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:26:52 -0600

> From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Message-ID:

> <AANLkTim24uE8_ZTUNkdgNBLndkWmX-GhsmNVowSoGfKA at mail.gmail.com>

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>

> The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a

> truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to

> start

>

> The links do not look functional.

>

> I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the

> item was cancelled.

>

> You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to

> be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic

> step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or

> licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,

> well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld

> for example. And the Manics.)

>

> --Mark

>

> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Sounds like somebody wants to?go sit in a tiger cage?and throw stones..

> >

> > ?i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.

> > http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html

> >

> > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.

> >

> > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and

> > wants

> > to make the two ESS mixes available...

> >

> > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made

> > available

> > in the US

>

>

> ------------------------------

>

> Message: 2

> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:30:50 -0800 (PST)

> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ot- request kj manager

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Message-ID: <41249.29419.qm at web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

>

> *answers phone*

>

> "Hello, ACME?*erm**cough*?I mean, KJ Management,?how can we?help you?"

> ?

>

> http://www.alexross.com/80932-big.jpg

>

> ________________________________

> From: "Wrightdvdw at aol.com" <Wrightdvdw at aol.com>

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 3:28:15 PM

> Subject: [kj] ot- request kj manager

>

> Could some one from the management contact me I have a proposal

>

>

> Dave

>

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> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:01:12 +0100

> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ot- request kj manager

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

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>

> Honestly, I think the management get a raw deal here sometimes.

>

> What KJ does is pretty transparent largely because Jaz says lot of things

> that perhaps he shouldn't and then the management has to deal with the

> after

> effects.

>

> Ok. Gems of power. That was a fuck up but I think there is alot behind the

> story. I am not at all sure it's the managements fault. I saw a great deal

> of Raven at the time and there was much going on. The money is not in Matt

> Luxon's pocket.

>

> But in a wider context, to get the four original members together,

> gigging,

> recording and getting paid enough so thy are happy to do it takes a huge

> amount of effort and a considerable amount of skill. I can imagine it is

> like herding kittens at the best of times!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On 23 Nov 2010, at 00:30, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> > *answers phone*

> >

> > "Hello, ACME *erm**cough* I mean, KJ Management, how can we help you?"

> >

> >

> > http://www.alexross.com/80932-big.jpg

> > From: "Wrightdvdw at aol.com" <Wrightdvdw at aol.com>

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 3:28:15 PM

> > Subject: [kj] ot- request kj manager

> >

> > Could some one from the management contact me I have a proposal

> >

> >

> > Dave

> >

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> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:21:22 +1300

> From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

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>

> good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with

> creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???

>

>

>

>

>

> =)

>

>

>

>

> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> postponed indefinitely..."

>

>

> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a

> > truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to

> > start

> >

> > The links do not look functional.

> >

> > I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the

> > item was cancelled.

> >

> > You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to

> > be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic

> > step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or

> > licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,

> > well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld

> > for example. And the Manics.)

> >

> > --Mark

> >

> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw

> > > stones..

> > >

> > > i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.

> > >

> > http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html

> > >

> > > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.

> > >

> > > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and

> > wants

> > > to make the two ESS mixes available...

> > >

> > > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made

> > available

> > > in the US

> > _______________________________________________

> > Gathering mailing list

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> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:29:33 +0100

> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

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>

> It doesn't help make any money that's why!

> Killing joke probably get something like 12-15% of the price TO THE

> DEALER.

> not the sales price. The dealer price is about half that of the sales

> price.

> So to make it simpler, maybe they get 6-8% of sales price.

>

> Of that they have to pay probably 20% to management and then god knows

> what

> else. So actually, making money from cd or digital sales is pretty hard

> work.

>

> You can make money in the industry by gigging ( see the rise in ticket

> prices) merchandising and licensing. Selling your tracks to adverts and

> movies pays considerably more than record sales.

>

> I am afraid 2-3 versions of a cd is necessary to make money these days.

> Especially in the digital age when there are so many illegal downloads.

>

> On 23 Nov 2010, at 08:21, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with

> > creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> > postponed indefinitely..."

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:

> > The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a

> > truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to

> > start

> >

> > The links do not look functional.

> >

> > I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the

> > item was cancelled.

> >

> > You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to

> > be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic

> > step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or

> > licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,

> > well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld

> > for example. And the Manics.)

> >

> > --Mark

> >

> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw

> > > stones..

> > >

> > > i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.

> > > http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html

> > >

> > > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.

> > >

> > > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and

> > > wants

> > > to make the two ESS mixes available...

> > >

> > > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made

> > > available

> > > in the US

> > _______________________________________________

> > Gathering mailing list

> > Gathering at misera.net

> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:38:17 +1300

> From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

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> yeah i get that, things are tough all over..

>

> just seems a tad ironic that the mighty KJ are embracing consumerism in

> such

> a way that to me conflicts with the image they have created.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> postponed indefinitely..."

>

>

> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

>

> > It doesn't help make any money that's why!

> > Killing joke probably get something like 12-15% of the price TO THE

> > DEALER.

> > not the sales price. The dealer price is about half that of the sales

> > price.

> > So to make it simpler, maybe they get 6-8% of sales price.

> >

> > Of that they have to pay probably 20% to management and then god knows

> > what

> > else. So actually, making money from cd or digital sales is pretty hard

> > work.

> >

> > You can make money in the industry by gigging ( see the rise in ticket

> > prices) merchandising and licensing. Selling your tracks to adverts and

> > movies pays considerably more than record sales.

> >

> > I am afraid 2-3 versions of a cd is necessary to make money these days.

> > Especially in the digital age when there are so many illegal downloads.

> >

> >

> > On 23 Nov 2010, at 08:21, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with

> > creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> > postponed indefinitely..."

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar < <mkolmar at gmail.com>

> > mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> >> The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a

> >> truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to

> >> start

> >>

> >> The links do not look functional.

> >>

> >> I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the

> >> item was cancelled.

> >>

> >> You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to

> >> be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic

> >> step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or

> >> licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,

> >> well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld

> >> for example. And the Manics.)

> >>

> >> --Mark

> >>

> >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 < <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> >> saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> > Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw

> >> > stones..

> >> >

> >> > i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course

> >> > won't.

> >> >

> >> <http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html>

> >> http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html

> >> >

> >> > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.

> >> >

> >> > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and

> >> wants

> >> > to make the two ESS mixes available...

> >> >

> >> > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made

> >> available

> >> > in the US

> >> _______________________________________________

> >> Gathering mailing list

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> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:28:46 -0500

> From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] new cd

> To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

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>

> I'm now holding in may hands something I never thought I would: the new

> cd,

> just released in the US TODAY!

> I was too cheap (esp. after waiting so many month) to buy the slightly

> more

> expensive 2-cd, w/the crappy cover versions

> and 20-page booklet (what's on it anyway, KJ history? I already know

> that).

> At least the regular version has the lyrics--and it

> even thanks the Gatherers in the liner notes!

>

>

>

> From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com

> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:38:17 +1300

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:

>

> yeah i get that, things are tough all over..

>

>

> just seems a tad ironic that the mighty KJ are embracing consumerism in

> such

> a way that to me conflicts with the image they have created.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> postponed indefinitely..."

>

>

>

> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

>

>

>

> It doesn't help make any money that's why!

> Killing joke probably get something like 12-15% of the price TO THE

> DEALER.

> not the sales price. The dealer price is about half that of the sales

> price.

> So to make it simpler, maybe they get 6-8% of sales price.

>

>

> Of that they have to pay probably 20% to management and then god knows

> what

> else. So actually, making money from cd or digital sales is pretty hard

> work.

>

>

> You can make money in the industry by gigging ( see the rise in ticket

> prices) merchandising and licensing. Selling your tracks to adverts and

> movies pays considerably more than record sales.

>

>

> I am afraid 2-3 versions of a cd is necessary to make money these days.

> Especially in the digital age when there are so many illegal downloads.

>

>

>

>

> On 23 Nov 2010, at 08:21, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with

> creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =)

>

>

>

>

>

> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> postponed indefinitely..."

>

>

>

> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a

> truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to

> start

>

> The links do not look functional.

>

> I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the

> item was cancelled.

>

> You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to

> be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic

> step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or

> licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,

> well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld

> for example. And the Manics.)

>

> --Mark

>

>

> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw stones..

> >

>

> > i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.

>

>

>

> > http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html

> >

> > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.

> >

> > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and

> > wants

> > to make the two ESS mixes available...

> >

> > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made

> > available

> > in the US

> _______________________________________________

> Gathering mailing list

> Gathering at misera.net

> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

>

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