[kj] new cd

[GREG SLAWSON]

Great! The only gripe I have is the (admittedly listened to on the overrated "Bose" cd player) muddy production. To me, it sounds

worse than Hossanas (which I think sounded ok for a dense heavy album).

Only other complaint--they should have replaced the inexplicably bad "This World Hell" w/the nice RU Recieving remake "Kalyuga"--they must

have included the song for the lyrics.

Song that has started growing on me--"The Great Cull"--shockingly sad but mostly true lyrics as well.
 

> From: dominicoc at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:34:51 -0800

> Subject: Re: [kj] new cd

> 

> Yeah, I know what you mean... Finally, I have my CD in my hands and I am 

> elated! I ordered mine online with that special offer of ordering KJ AD and 

> getting the autographed booklet! SWEET! I also wasn't interested in the 

> cover versions. Perfectly happy with the album. IT ROCKS!

> 

> 

> "I'm now holding in may hands something I never thought I would: the new cd, 

> just released in the US TODAY!

> I was too cheap (esp. after waiting so many month) to buy the slightly more 

> expensive 2-cd, w/the crappy cover versions

> and 20-page booklet (what's on it anyway, KJ history? I already know that). 

> At least the regular version has the lyrics--and it

> even thanks the Gatherers in the liner notes!"

> 

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> 1. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (Mark Kolmar)

> 2. Re: ot- request kj manager (sade1)

> 3. Re: ot- request kj manager (Rob Moss)

> 4. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (bongo)

> 5. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (Rob Moss)

> 6. Re: ESS remixes available on the torrents: (bongo)

> 7. Re: new cd (GREG SLAWSON)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:26:52 -0600

> From: Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Message-ID:

> <AANLkTim24uE8_ZTUNkdgNBLndkWmX-GhsmNVowSoGfKA at mail.gmail.com>

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> 

> The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a

> truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to

> start

> 

> The links do not look functional.

> 

> I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the

> item was cancelled.

> 

> You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to

> be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic

> step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or

> licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,

> well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld

> for example. And the Manics.)

> 

> --Mark

> 

> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Sounds like somebody wants to?go sit in a tiger cage?and throw stones..

> >

> > ?i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.

> > http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html

> >

> > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.

> >

> > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and wants

> > to make the two ESS mixes available...

> >

> > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made available

> > in the US

> 

> 

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> Message: 2

> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:30:50 -0800 (PST)

> From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ot- request kj manager

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Message-ID: <41249.29419.qm at web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

> 

> *answers phone*

> 

> "Hello, ACME?*erm**cough*?I mean, KJ Management,?how can we?help you?"

> ?

> 

> http://www.alexross.com/80932-big.jpg

> 

> ________________________________

> From: "Wrightdvdw at aol.com" <Wrightdvdw at aol.com>

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 3:28:15 PM

> Subject: [kj] ot- request kj manager

> 

> Could some one from the management contact me I have a proposal

> 

> 

> Dave

> 

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> Message: 3

> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:01:12 +0100

> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ot- request kj manager

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Message-ID: <A713C2EE-1A29-4083-8A75-2C37AA6BFA83 at gmx.com>

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> 

> Honestly, I think the management get a raw deal here sometimes.

> 

> What KJ does is pretty transparent largely because Jaz says lot of things 

> that perhaps he shouldn't and then the management has to deal with the after 

> effects.

> 

> Ok. Gems of power. That was a fuck up but I think there is alot behind the 

> story. I am not at all sure it's the managements fault. I saw a great deal 

> of Raven at the time and there was much going on. The money is not in Matt 

> Luxon's pocket.

> 

> But in a wider context, to get the four original members together, gigging, 

> recording and getting paid enough so thy are happy to do it takes a huge 

> amount of effort and a considerable amount of skill. I can imagine it is 

> like herding kittens at the best of times!

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> On 23 Nov 2010, at 00:30, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 

> > *answers phone*

> >

> > "Hello, ACME *erm**cough* I mean, KJ Management, how can we help you?"

> >

> >

> > http://www.alexross.com/80932-big.jpg

> > From: "Wrightdvdw at aol.com" <Wrightdvdw at aol.com>

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 3:28:15 PM

> > Subject: [kj] ot- request kj manager

> >

> > Could some one from the management contact me I have a proposal

> >

> >

> > Dave

> >

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> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 20:21:22 +1300

> From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

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> 

> good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with

> creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> =)

> 

> 

> 

> 

> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> postponed indefinitely..."

> 

> 

> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> > The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a

> > truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to

> > start

> >

> > The links do not look functional.

> >

> > I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the

> > item was cancelled.

> >

> > You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to

> > be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic

> > step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or

> > licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,

> > well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld

> > for example. And the Manics.)

> >

> > --Mark

> >

> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw stones..

> > >

> > > i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.

> > >

> > http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html

> > >

> > > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.

> > >

> > > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and

> > wants

> > > to make the two ESS mixes available...

> > >

> > > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made

> > available

> > > in the US

> > _______________________________________________

> > Gathering mailing list

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> Message: 5

> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:29:33 +0100

> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Message-ID: <B62CB003-178E-462A-9723-27EA153A013D at gmx.com>

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> 

> It doesn't help make any money that's why!

> Killing joke probably get something like 12-15% of the price TO THE DEALER. 

> not the sales price. The dealer price is about half that of the sales price. 

> So to make it simpler, maybe they get 6-8% of sales price.

> 

> Of that they have to pay probably 20% to management and then god knows what 

> else. So actually, making money from cd or digital sales is pretty hard 

> work.

> 

> You can make money in the industry by gigging ( see the rise in ticket 

> prices) merchandising and licensing. Selling your tracks to adverts and 

> movies pays considerably more than record sales.

> 

> I am afraid 2-3 versions of a cd is necessary to make money these days. 

> Especially in the digital age when there are so many illegal downloads.

> 

> On 23 Nov 2010, at 08:21, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> > good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with 

> > creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been 

> > postponed indefinitely..."

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:

> > The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a

> > truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to

> > start

> >

> > The links do not look functional.

> >

> > I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the

> > item was cancelled.

> >

> > You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to

> > be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic

> > step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or

> > licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,

> > well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld

> > for example. And the Manics.)

> >

> > --Mark

> >

> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw stones..

> > >

> > > i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.

> > > http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html

> > >

> > > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.

> > >

> > > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and 

> > > wants

> > > to make the two ESS mixes available...

> > >

> > > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made 

> > > available

> > > in the US

> > _______________________________________________

> > Gathering mailing list

> > Gathering at misera.net

> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:38:17 +1300

> From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

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> yeah i get that, things are tough all over..

> 

> just seems a tad ironic that the mighty KJ are embracing consumerism in such

> a way that to me conflicts with the image they have created.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> postponed indefinitely..."

> 

> 

> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> 

> > It doesn't help make any money that's why!

> > Killing joke probably get something like 12-15% of the price TO THE 

> > DEALER.

> > not the sales price. The dealer price is about half that of the sales 

> > price.

> > So to make it simpler, maybe they get 6-8% of sales price.

> >

> > Of that they have to pay probably 20% to management and then god knows 

> > what

> > else. So actually, making money from cd or digital sales is pretty hard

> > work.

> >

> > You can make money in the industry by gigging ( see the rise in ticket

> > prices) merchandising and licensing. Selling your tracks to adverts and

> > movies pays considerably more than record sales.

> >

> > I am afraid 2-3 versions of a cd is necessary to make money these days.

> > Especially in the digital age when there are so many illegal downloads.

> >

> >

> > On 23 Nov 2010, at 08:21, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with

> > creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been

> > postponed indefinitely..."

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar < <mkolmar at gmail.com>

> > mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:

> >

> >> The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a

> >> truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to

> >> start

> >>

> >> The links do not look functional.

> >>

> >> I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the

> >> item was cancelled.

> >>

> >> You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to

> >> be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic

> >> step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or

> >> licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,

> >> well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld

> >> for example. And the Manics.)

> >>

> >> --Mark

> >>

> >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 < <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> >> saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> > Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw stones..

> >> >

> >> > i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.

> >> >

> >> <http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html>

> >> http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html

> >> >

> >> > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.

> >> >

> >> > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and

> >> wants

> >> > to make the two ESS mixes available...

> >> >

> >> > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made

> >> available

> >> > in the US

> >> _______________________________________________

> >> Gathering mailing list

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> Message: 7

> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:28:46 -0500

> From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] new cd

> To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

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> 

> I'm now holding in may hands something I never thought I would: the new cd, 

> just released in the US TODAY!

> I was too cheap (esp. after waiting so many month) to buy the slightly more 

> expensive 2-cd, w/the crappy cover versions

> and 20-page booklet (what's on it anyway, KJ history? I already know that). 

> At least the regular version has the lyrics--and it

> even thanks the Gatherers in the liner notes!

> 

> 

> 

> From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com

> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 07:38:17 +1300

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] ESS remixes available on the torrents:

> 

> yeah i get that, things are tough all over..

> 

> 

> just seems a tad ironic that the mighty KJ are embracing consumerism in such 

> a way that to me conflicts with the image they have created.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been 

> postponed indefinitely..."

> 

> 

> 

> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> It doesn't help make any money that's why!

> Killing joke probably get something like 12-15% of the price TO THE DEALER. 

> not the sales price. The dealer price is about half that of the sales price. 

> So to make it simpler, maybe they get 6-8% of sales price.

> 

> 

> Of that they have to pay probably 20% to management and then god knows what 

> else. So actually, making money from cd or digital sales is pretty hard 

> work.

> 

> 

> You can make money in the industry by gigging ( see the rise in ticket 

> prices) merchandising and licensing. Selling your tracks to adverts and 

> movies pays considerably more than record sales.

> 

> 

> I am afraid 2-3 versions of a cd is necessary to make money these days. 

> Especially in the digital age when there are so many illegal downloads.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> On 23 Nov 2010, at 08:21, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> good on the band for trying to make a living, but ffs, whats wrong with 

> creating 20 tracks and sticking them on ONE FUCKING CD???

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> =)

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been 

> postponed indefinitely..."

> 

> 

> 

> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> The mixes ought to show up on the ESS single. Killing Joke never had a

> truly exclusive track for Japan, and this would not be the time to

> start

> 

> The links do not look functional.

> 

> I ordered ESS thru Amazon UK when the album was released. Finally the

> item was cancelled.

> 

> You are not missing much with the "dubstep" mix, although I'll try to

> be a completist. The territory-specific content seems like a gigantic

> step backwards. If the remix is so confusing to the marketplace, or

> licensing so difficult that it must not be audible outside the UK,

> well I'm guessing you shouldn't have bothered to start. (Underworld

> for example. And the Manics.)

> 

> --Mark

> 

> 

> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:11 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Sounds like somebody wants to go sit in a tiger cage and throw stones..

> >

> 

> > i bought mine officially,most of you robbing bastards of course won't.

> 

> 

> 

> > http://musicoogle.com/file/killing+joke+european+superstate+youth+mix.html

> >

> > This is just one; I imagine it is elsewhere.

> >

> > I can't do this at work, but if anyone else is feeling ambitious and wants

> > to make the two ESS mixes available...

> >

> > I will, of course, buy them officially, should they ever be made available

> > in the US

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