[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 82, Issue 56

[Dominico C]

I think both "In Excelsis" and "End Game" are the best Killing Joke has produced as whole since Pandemonium, Democracy, Revelations, and Killing Joke 1980. KJ 2003 and Hossanas have their moments, but I think KJ 2010 have finally it their mark!!!
 

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> Today's Topics:

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> 1. Re: In excelsis on Last.fm. (Rheinhold Squeegee)

> 2. Re: "In Excelsis" on YouTube: (fluw)

> 3. Re: In excelsis on Xfm. (fluw)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:26:51 -0500

> From: Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] In excelsis on Last.fm.

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> Anyone else notice that the Xfm listing has the EP released through Interscope Canada? There is, of course, nothing on the Interscope site and no other association that I could find. I assume there will be some sort of North American distribution, however.

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> So here's how it breaks down on Amazon so far:

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> www.amazon.de : lists "In Excelsis" with a release date of July 2

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> www.amazon.ca : lists "Industrial Suicide" with a relase date of June 15

> www.amazon.co.uk : lists "In Excelsis" 10" Vinyl only / no release date

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> www.amazon.com : lists "Feast of Fools" (Jpn) only / no release date

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> 

> Nice see the usual parties have their sh*t together, as usual.

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> With regards to "In Excelsis":

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> I rarely participate in these debates over the subjective quality of a track and I am the first to admit that my favorite group has produced their fair share of duff tracks ("Lanterns of Hope", I'm looking at you). With that being said:

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> 1. The currently available version is a grab off satellite radio. I burned it to disc and played it in my car and it sounds like it was recorded inside of a fish tank. Let's wait to hear the actual final mix before passing judgment.

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> 2. It is a two-chord basher in keeping with Jaz's tribal aesthetic, i.e. "throw away your iPods and dance around the fire." "Are You Receiving" has one chord and is extremely repetitive. And I love it for just that.

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> 3. The keyboards are a nice touch and a reference to Jaz's classical leanings. I will be curious to hear how they play in the actual mix.

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> 4. There are a lot of more subtle things going on in the mix that I think are lost because of the poor track quality. There are some interesting fills and half-time drums and Geordie's guitar drops out of buzzsaw mode on several occasions. Again, I think Youth has potentially added some subtle elements that are simply not apparent on this mix.

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> 5. The melody follows the same "8-bar motif repeated 4 times" that Jaz has used since, frankly, "NightTime." Geordie plays a lot of eighth-notes, which is a nice change from "HFTBOH" where I think he just clothespinned a playing card to his kid's bike spokes and plugged it into an amp. Repetition has been a hallmark of their schtick since Day 1.

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> Blah, blah, blah, you get the idea.

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> Not the greatest KJ track I've heard, but it still gives me hope for the new album. I found myself unconsciously singing the chorus under my breath this morning, so it got to me, regardless. 

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> This is ostensibly a b-side or bonus track, correct? If so, it is where it should be.

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> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:09:19 +0200

> From: 65snoopy at gmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] In excelsis on Last.fm.

> 

> The odds on a stunning Fire Dances crossed with What's THIS For...! comeback are

> growing longer, aren't they?

> 

> Yours in a glass-half-empty kinda mood

> N

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> 

> On 11 June 2010 15:47, B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

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> My $ .02 USD:

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> I *love* "Endgame," but am "meh" about this new "In Excelsis" track.

> 

> Like Piers Bolton mentioned, you keep waiting for "In Excelsis" to burst out of its narrow confines and just really start to kick some ass, either by way of Geordie dropping some great riffs, or Big Paul finally NOT being under-utilized since their reunion. (Wuttup with that?) But ... that never happens. It feels like one long intro to a song that should explode into something kick ass, but never does. :((

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> (And I love the KJ hammer-and-sickle commie logo. I had a pin of it I lost and need to get another one.)

> 

> -Oliver

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> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:32:28 -0500

> From: "fluw" <fluwdot at earthlink.net>

> Subject: Re: [kj] "In Excelsis" on YouTube:

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> There has been some bell ringing here and there on the democracy cd and

> "you'll never get to me" - but far too little. possibly the band nor Geordie

> take what sets Geordie apart from common guitarists seriously - perhaps they

> don't like it when Geordie plays that way? 

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> Maybe they are afraid that a record featuring too many bells, twang and howl

> the size of Jupiter will represent the band as less than powerful and

> germane with the angry cookie monster chug chug current of established heavy

> music genres ?

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> Appealing to the lowest common denominator is a rather safe way of producing

> one's art. That is smart careering 

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> _____ 

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of nicholas fitzpatrick

> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:59 AM

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] "In Excelsis" on YouTube:

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> 

> Maybe he's doing the chug here for commercial value and saving the bell for

> more choice moments on the album. But I fear we'll be disappointed. 

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> He hasn't rung the bell for over a decade, has he? (That's not meant to

> sound like a euphemism for jerking off). 

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> Maybe there was an echo of the bell on 'Dirt...', but that was it. I've been

> impressed with G's geetaring since then even though there has been a lot of

> chugging going on.

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> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:38:06 -0400

> From: vassifer at earthlink.net

> To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] "In Excelsis" on YouTube:

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> 

> As much as I love a good chug (ooh..er...Missus), I have to agree with Todd

> here.... BRING BACK THE TWANG (i.e. THE BELL!)

> 

> Alex in NYC

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> -----Original Message----- 

> From: fluw 

> Sent: Jun 10, 2010 3:13 PM 

> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" 

> Subject: Re: [kj] "In Excelsis" on YouTube: 

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> 

> Geordie is soooo much more than chug 1234 greg.

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> He is a master of arpeggios from another world and making single twangy

> notes hit like an anvil the size of Jupiter. For my money he does this way

> better than the little tiny bees in the jar chug which every pants shitting

> toddler can do.

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> If Geordie's legacy is too heavily weighted with memories of chug it will be

> an abomination, and he would surely be forgotten in short order. 

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> _____ 

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON

> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:13 PM

> To: gathering

> Subject: Re: [kj] "In Excelsis" on YouTube:

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> 

> Wow, people are really down on poor old Geordie. Correct me if I 'm wrong,

> but hasn't he pretty much been the master of heavy, dense, 4/4 downstroke

> guitar for the past 30 years (with the exception of some pop crap on BTATS

> and OTG)? I thought we liked that kind of guitar sound...

> 

> 

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> From: fluwdot at earthlink.net

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:23:33 -0500

> Subject: Re: [kj] "In Excelsis" on YouTube:

> 

> The bad:

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> What? Why can't kj learn that less is more, space is more important than yet

> another track of guitar buzz saturating and obscuring what came before it.

> The guitar has no body, no power, no point of existing. Why have Geordie

> play if what he creates sounds like a kid who just learned IV chords at a

> guitar center on a POD.

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> 

> 1234 1234 downstrokes for a groove.fucking lazy rudimentary and not

> interesting or inspiring.for robot dancers only.

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> On the positive side:

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> The voice sounds better then the past couple albums at least jaz isn't

> trying to sound like a old warty toad possessed by a B movie villain.

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> Youth doesn't sound like he has in the mid 90's

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> _____ 

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of Rheinhold Squeegee

> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:40 AM

> To: Gathering Gathering

> Subject: [kj] "In Excelsis" on YouTube:

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq2EBh8OFV8

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> For those who don't want to or can't download.

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> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:33:21 -0500

> From: "fluw" <fluwdot at earthlink.net>

> Subject: Re: [kj] In excelsis on Xfm.

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> It sounds nothing of the sort

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of Janean

> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 3:47 AM

> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

> Subject: Re: [kj] In excelsis on Xfm.

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> Fire Dances era? Dated 80s? Sounds right up my street!

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> Itching to hear this now, but simply can't at work anymore. :-(

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of Wessidetempest

> Sent: 10 June 2010 16:51

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Cc: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] In excelsis on Xfm.

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> 

> It's not "really, really" bad. It's not really, really great either. It kind

> of reminds me of Fire Dances era. But the keyboards kind-of give it a dated

> 80s John Hughes feel to it. Not sure. I'm on the third listen

> 

> 

> On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:35 AM, "Phillipps Marc"

> <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk> wrote:

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> I have rehosted that here <http://lycopodeia.harpski.com/KJ-IE.zip>

> http://lycopodeia.harpski.com/KJ-IE.zip for people who don't like Hotfile

> :o) 

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of Rob Horan

> Sent: 10 June 2010 14:59

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] In excelsis on Xfm.

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> 

> 

> Thanks!! 

> 

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of jon chapman

> Sent: 10 June 2010 14:51

> To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net> gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] In excelsis on Xfm.

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> Bad as in the urban dictionary meaning! 

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> <http://hotfile.com/dl/47174193/f2229cf/KJ-IE.zip.html>

> http://hotfile.com/dl/47174193/f2229cf/KJ-IE.zip.html 

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> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:07:28 -0400

> From: <mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net> vassifer at earthlink.net

> To: gathering at misera.net; <mailto:gathering at misera.net>

> gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] In excelsis on Xfm.

> 

> 

> Oh come now. Really?

> 

> Alex in NYC

> 

> -----Original Message----- 

> From: jon chapman 

> Sent: Jun 10, 2010 7:11 AM 

> To: gathering at misera.net 

> Subject: [kj] In excelsis on Xfm. 

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> after first hearing,it is really really bad.

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