[kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???

[Karen Weil]

Precisely. Cheers.

k.w.
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  I have seen that. It will always be slamming, slam dancing, skanking or whatever, but moshing?  Done deal.

  ~ LB

  In a message dated 12/23/2010 5:07:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wessidetempest at hotmail.com writes:
    According to wikipedia


    Origins of the term
    The term "mosh" came into use in the early eighties American hardcore scene in Washington, D.C. Vocalist H.R. (Paul Hudson) of the band Bad Brains, regarded as a band that "put moshing on the map,"[6] used the term "mash" in lyrics and show stage banter to both incite and describe the aggressive and often violent dancing of the scene. To "mash it up" was to go wild with the frenzy of the music. Due to his affected Jamaican-accented pronunciation of the word, fans heard this as moshinstead.[7] Early on, the dance was frequently spelled mash in fanzines and seven-inches, but pronounced mosh, as in the 1982 song "Total Mash" by the D.C.-based hardcore group Scream. By the mid-eighties, the term was appearing in print with its current spelling. Through the connectedness of hardcore, crossover, and thrash in the early years of these genres, the word "mosh" and the dance it described spread across the spectrum of these musics. By the time East coastthrash metal band Anthrax used the term in their song Caught in a Mosh,[8] it was already a mainstay of hardcore and thrash scenes. Through the mainstream success of bands like Anthrax and the later success of Nirvana and The Melvins, whose sounds and culture were directly rooted in hardcore and punk, the term came into the popular vernacular. Moshing is often believed to have derived from the acronym of "March Of The Skinheads", where the "March" refers to the dancing performed by "Skinheads", or metal fans.

    Origins of the dance
    A precursor to moshing, called "slam dancing", can be traced back to 1970s punk rock shows[2] in the form of "the pogo" and was later developed into moshing by the hardcore punk subculture of the early 1980s.[5][9] While many use the terms slam dancing and moshing interchangeably, distinctions can be made in that slam dancing is typically more frantic, with body movements such as arm-swinging, while moshing is slower and more exaggerated.[1]

     
    Crowdsurfing over a mosh pit.
    Moshing is thought to have originated in Orange County, California, during the first wave of American hardcore in the early eighties at theCuckoos Nest.[10] Early moshing can be seen in the film Urban Struggle. Violence and physicality characterized aspects of the movement and were manifesting on the dancefloors of shows. Slam dancing began as an audience response to the bands of the L.A. scene such as Black Flag, Fearand The Circle Jerks, whose more rhythmic and heavy form of punk rock was being called "hardcore".

    Slam dancing made its way to the Midwest in 1984 at the stylist nightclub Mean Mr. Mustards in Columbus, Ohio. John Fern and Michael Palmer brought slam dancing to the forefront with their ingenious manifestation of rhythmic jumping coupled with a paramount slam into one another as the sound of metal music resonated throughout the popular nightspot. The precursor to moshing caught on quickly and remains in effect in the Columbus nightclub circuit.

    Another form of moshing sometimes called hardcore dancing originated on the east coast, which strays away from "traditional" moshing, in which members of the mosh pit stand in a circle made by other fans, and they perform moves such as the two-step, "windmill", and spin kicks.

    To match the intensity and aggressive nature of this new music, fans would move frantically and engage in stage diving. Beyond audience and band members slamming into one another and leaping from stages into the crowd, slam dancing was defined by "strutting around in a circle, swinging your arms around and hitting everyone within your reach. "Blush, Steven (2001). American Hardcore: A Tribal History. This aspect of slam dancing was termed the "Huntington Beach Strut" (or "HB Strut"), after the city in Orange County where it originated. Author Steven Blush writes of the HB Strut:

          “ According to lore, Mike Marine, a former U.S. Marine and star ofThe Decline of Western Civilization, performed the first slam dance in 1979. Marine created a vicious version of punk dancing. He'd smash the fucking face of anyone who would get near him—especially some Hippie, who'd get pulverized. ” 

    Marine and others in the Huntington Beach and Long Beach areas invented this violent dance and soon exported it to the San Francisco and Bay Area scene, where pogoing was still the prevalent form of dance. >From there, it spread to the East Coast scenes through national acts such as Bad Brains and other D.C. area natives such as Henry Rollins and Ian MacKaye, who witnessed the HB Strut while traveling.[11]

    Because the early American hardcore scene gave way to and coexisted with the burgeoningcrossover thrash scene, it too became defined in part by slam dancing.

    Crossover into mainstream music
    By the end of the 1980s, the initial wave of American hardcore punk had passed and split into other subgenres. The Seattle-based grungemovement was among the many styles of music that directly evolved from hardcore. In the early 1990s, bands such as The Melvins, Mudhoney andNirvana gained mainstream popularity, bringing with them many manners of American hardcore culture.

    Through the mainstream success of these acts, the word mosh entered the popular American vocabulary and the dance spread to many other types of music. According to They Might Be Giants'John Linnell, it reached a point where "it didn’t matter what kind of music you were playing or what kind of band you were; everybody moshed to everything. It was just kind of the enforced rule of going to concerts."[12]







    On Dec 23, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:




      I don't think Anthrax coined it  so much as popularized it. It's a British term initially, I believe.


      Alex in NYC




      On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Leigh Newton wrote:


        The term "moshing" was coined in the mid-80s by the likes of Anthrax.

        Leigh

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        From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
        To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
        Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:08:56 PM
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        I grew up (well, went to college) w/the term slam dancing. Fuck "moshing"--some lame 90s media-created term, as usual 
        trying to pick up on something years too late...
        PS Killing Joke is new wave!!!
        PPS Old people rule (ok)...
         

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        From: countessghoulita at aol.com
        Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:35:45 -0500
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        Argh, "moshing"...how about "slam dancing"  FFS???


        CG







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        Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 4:38 pm
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        Was someone on here saying they were
        pregnant and still going to the show?
        I found this:
        " Maybe..it's so big, but.. I mean there's a PREGNANT girl in front of me! "
           ~~ odaboda [?]

        about halfway down: http://www.last.fm/event/1329820+Killing+Joke

         



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        From: "countessghoulita at aol.com" <countessghoulita at aol.com>
        To: gathering at misera.net
        Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 6:59:12 PM
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        If I am not mistaken, the lovely lady to the right is Mark Gemini Thwaite's girlfriend....

        CG









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        From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
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        Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 6:47 pm
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        > ..LA...some rather well-dressed rockers--like a dress-up ball....

        My friend was mentioning that and how all I was wearing was a beige t-shirt. Ha!

        And thank god for this, http://www.laweekly.com/slideshow/killing-joke-the-wiltern-32136043/19/
        I had an otherwise different image of KJfans prior to the Wiltern show.




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        From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
        To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
        Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 5:11:32 PM
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        Wow, what a huge difference b/w the LA and Boston crowds. Boston--people who look like they walked in from a sports event, aging college kids,
        etc.
        LA--aging (to say the least) hipsters, rockers, punks, alternative lifestyle dudes, and some rather well-dressed rockers--like a dress-up ball compared to Boston.
         

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        From: LONESTYLE at aol.com
        Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:45:27 -0500
        To: gathering at misera.net
        Subject: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???


        Being at the LA Killing Joke show the other night it is funny how most of the people lame. The scene looks so plastic to me nowadays being an old man. ;)


        ~ LB


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