[kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???
LONESTYLE at aol.com
LONESTYLE at aol.com
Fri Dec 24 15:51:34 EST 2010
I have seen that. It will always be slamming, slam dancing, skanking or
whatever, but moshing? Done deal.
~ LB
In a message dated 12/23/2010 5:07:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
wessidetempest at hotmail.com writes:
According to wikipedia
Origins of the term
The term "mosh" came into use in the early eighties American hardcore
scene in Washington, D.C. Vocalist _H.R. (Paul Hudson)_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.R.) of the band _Bad Brains_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Brains) , regarded as a band that "put moshing on the map,"_[6]_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-5) used the
term "mash" in lyrics and show stage banter to both incite and describe the
aggressive and often violent dancing of the scene. To "mash it up" was to go
wild with the frenzy of the music. Due to his affected _Jamaican_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_English) -accented pronunciation of the
word, fans heard this as moshinstead._[7]_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-6) Early on, the dance was frequently
spelled mash in _fanzines_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanzine) and
_seven-inches_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven-inch) , but pronounced
mosh, as in the 1982 song "Total Mash" by the D.C.-based hardcore group
_Scream_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scream_(band)) . By the mid-eighties, the
term was appearing in print with its current spelling. Through the
connectedness of hardcore, crossover, and thrash in the early years of these
genres, the word "mosh" and the dance it described spread across the spectrum of
these musics. By the time _East coast_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Coast_of_the_United_States) _thrash metal_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrash_metal) band _Anthrax_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthrax_(band)) used the term in their song _Caught in a Mosh_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Among_the_Living) ,_[8]_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-7) it was already a mainstay of hardcore and
thrash scenes. Through the mainstream success of bands like Anthrax and the
later success of _Nirvana_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(band))
and _The Melvins_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Melvins) , whose
sounds and culture were directly rooted in hardcore and punk, the term came
into the popular vernacular. Moshing is often believed to have derived from
the acronym of "March Of The Skinheads", where the "March" refers to the
dancing performed by "Skinheads", or metal fans.
Origins of the dance
A precursor to moshing, called "slam dancing", can be traced back to 1970s
_punk rock_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock) shows_[2]_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-Nussbacher-1)
in the form of "the _pogo_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo_(dance)) "
and was later developed into moshing by the _hardcore punk_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk) _subculture_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subculture) of the early 1980s._[5]_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-etiquette-4) _[9]_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-8) While many use the terms
slam dancing and moshing interchangeably, distinctions can be made in that
slam dancing is typically more frantic, with body movements such as
arm-swinging, while moshing is slower and more exaggerated._[1]_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-popmusic-0)
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moshpit2.jpg)
_Crowdsurfing_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_surfing) over a mosh
pit.
Moshing is thought to have originated in _Orange County_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_California) , _California_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California) , during the first wave of American hardcore in
the early eighties at the_Cuckoos Nest_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckoos_Nest) ._[10]_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-9) Early moshing can be seen in the film _Urban Struggle_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Struggle) . Violence and physicality
characterized aspects of the movement and were manifesting on the dancefloors of
shows. Slam dancing began as an audience response to the bands of the L.A.
scene such as _Black Flag_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Flag_(band)) , _Fear_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_(band)) and _The Circle
Jerks_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Circle_Jerks) , whose more rhythmic
and heavy form of _punk rock_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock)
was being called "_hardcore_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk)
".
Slam dancing made its way to the Midwest in 1984 at the stylist nightclub
Mean Mr. Mustards in Columbus, Ohio. John Fern and Michael Palmer brought
slam dancing to the forefront with their ingenious manifestation of rhythmic
jumping coupled with a paramount slam into one another as the sound of
metal music resonated throughout the popular nightspot. The precursor to
moshing caught on quickly and remains in effect in the Columbus nightclub
circuit.
Another form of moshing sometimes called hardcore dancing originated on
the east coast, which strays away from "traditional" moshing, in which
members of the mosh pit stand in a circle made by other fans, and they perform
moves such as the two-step, "windmill", and spin kicks.
To match the intensity and aggressive nature of this new music, fans would
move frantically and engage in _stage diving_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stage_diving) . Beyond audience and band members slamming into one
another and leaping from stages into the crowd, slam dancing was defined by
"strutting around in a circle, swinging your arms around and hitting everyone
within your reach. "Blush, Steven (2001). _American Hardcore: A Tribal
History_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Hardcore:_A_Tribal_History) .
This aspect of slam dancing was termed the "Huntington Beach Strut" (or "HB
Strut"), after the city in Orange County where it originated. Author
Steven Blush writes of the HB Strut: “ According to lore, Mike Marine, a
former U.S. Marine and star of_The Decline of Western Civilization_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decline_of_Western_Civilization) , performed the
first slam dance in 1979. Marine created a vicious version of punk dancing.
He'd smash the fucking face of anyone who would get near him—especially some
Hippie, who'd get pulverized. ”
Marine and others in the Huntington Beach and Long Beach areas invented
this violent dance and soon exported it to the _San Francisco_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco) and Bay Area scene, where pogoing was
still the prevalent form of dance. From there, it spread to the East Coast
scenes through national acts such as Bad Brains and other D.C. area natives
such as _Henry Rollins_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rollins) and
_Ian MacKaye_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_MacKaye) , who witnessed
the HB Strut while traveling._[11]_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-10)
Because the early American hardcore scene gave way to and coexisted with
the burgeoning_crossover thrash_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_thrash) scene, it too became defined in part by slam dancing.
Crossover into mainstream music
By the end of the 1980s, the initial wave of American hardcore punk had
passed and split into other subgenres. The _Seattle_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle) -based _grunge_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge)
movement was among the many styles of music that directly evolved from
hardcore. In the early 1990s, bands such as _The Melvins_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Melvins) , _Mudhoney_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudhoney)
and_Nirvana_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(band)) gained
mainstream popularity, bringing with them many manners of American hardcore
culture.
Through the mainstream success of these acts, the word mosh entered the
popular American vocabulary and the dance spread to many other types of
music. According to _They Might Be Giants_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Might_Be_Giants) '_John Linnell_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Linnell) , it reached a point where "it didn’t matter what kind of music you were
playing or what kind of band you were; everybody moshed to everything. It
was just kind of the enforced rule of going to concerts."_[_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-11) _12_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-11) _]_
(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshing?wasRedirected=true#cite_note-11)
On Dec 23, 2010, at 7:06 AM, Alexander Smith <_vassifer at earthlink.net_
(mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net) > wrote:
I don't think Anthrax coined it so much as popularized it. It's a British
term initially, I believe.
Alex in NYC
On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Leigh Newton wrote:
The term "moshing" was coined in the mid-80s by the likes of Anthrax.
Leigh
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To: gathering <_gathering at misera.net_ (mailto:gathering at misera.net) >
Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:08:56 PM
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I grew up (well, went to college) w/the term slam dancing. Fuck
"moshing"--some lame 90s media-created term, as usual
trying to pick up on something years too late...
PS Killing Joke is new wave!!!
PPS Old people rule (ok)...
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From: _countessghoulita at aol.com_ (mailto:countessghoulita at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:35:45 -0500
Subject: Re: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???
Argh, "moshing"...how about "slam dancing" FFS???
CG
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Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 4:38 pm
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Was someone on here saying they were
pregnant and still going to the show?
I found this:
" Maybe..it's so big, but.. I mean there's a PREGNANT girl in front of me!
"
~~ odaboda [?]
about halfway down: _http://www.last.fm/event/1329820+Killing+Joke_
(http://www.last.fm/event/1329820+Killing+Joke)
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Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 6:59:12 PM
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If I am not mistaken, the lovely lady to the right is Mark Gemini
Thwaite's girlfriend....
CG
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> ..LA...some rather well-dressed rockers--like a dress-up ball....
My friend was mentioning that and how all I was wearing was a beige
t-shirt. Ha!
And thank god for this,
_http://www.laweekly.com/slideshow/killing-joke-the-wiltern-32136043/19/_
(http://www.laweekly.com/slideshow/killing-joke-the-wiltern-32136043/19/)
I had an otherwise different image of KJfans prior to the Wiltern show.
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To: gathering <_gathering at misera.net_ (mailto:gathering at misera.net) >
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 5:11:32 PM
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Wow, what a huge difference b/w the LA and Boston crowds. Boston--people
who look like they walked in from a sports event, aging college kids,
etc.
LA--aging (to say the least) hipsters, rockers, punks, alternative
lifestyle dudes, and some rather well-dressed rockers--like a dress-up ball
compared to Boston.
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From: _LONESTYLE at aol.com_ (mailto:LONESTYLE at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:45:27 -0500
To: _gathering at misera.net_ (mailto:gathering at misera.net)
Subject: [kj] KJ LA Show LA Weekly Photos???
Being at the LA Killing Joke show the other night it is funny how most of
the people lame. The scene looks so plastic to me nowadays being an old
man. ;)
~ LB
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