[kj] (OT) How to Save The Music Industry

[Wessidetempest]

There was an argument long ago. The industry argued that stores cannot resell CDs 

They lost. Obviously. 

On Aug 19, 2010, at 5:23 PM, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:


> > ..Technically selling music second hand is illegal as we do not own the copyright.

>  

> As I far I've ever been able to tell, short of, say, drugs, sex, or armaments**, the disposal/sale of private property (aka used goods) is entirely legal, unless there were to be some clause to the purchase along the lines of "for end users only; not transferrable"et.c.etc. 

>  

> ** or anything else subject to gov't. regulations

>  

> From: Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Cc: "gathering at misera.net" <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 2:03:57 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) How to Save The Music Industry

> 

> I very rarely get to listen to radio that has anything I might remotely be interested in. 

> 

> If I am interested I normally take a free download and if I like I buy. If not, I delete. I admit that I sometimes download stuff I have on vinyl only because I am too lazy to make lots of vinyl rip mp3s. 

> 

> There is an argument that says WHY should I be forced to buy the vinyl in the 80's the cd in the 90's and then pay again for something in the 00's!

> 

> This raises two questions. Does an MP3 actually exist? It's not a physical entity is it? It's just a binary collection on a hard disk that just happens to create music. I know the flaw in my argument by the way so don't bother, I'm being flippant. 

> The second point is though - does copyright law allow us to make digital copies of CDs legally? I remember the old " home taping is killing music" debate.  If they are for personal use, I think home made mp3s are legal. But what happens if you make the legal MP3, and then sell the cd on EBay? You no longer own the original so.........

> 

> Technically selling music second hand is illegal as we do not own the copyright. I guess the record companies must lose a huge amount of revenue in the sale of second hand music. 

> I wonder when a levy will be put on eBay music sales to compensate the record companies when the lobby?

> They'll soon start looking at everything. PRS have become far more active. I get regular calls from them asking if I have a PRS license for music at work. You need one for hold music but did you know that you need one if you have pc speakers in an office and play a song? Technically you become a broadcaster the moment someone hears what you play in the public domain. 

> 

> There are alot more avenues for the record industry to pursue!

> 

> It wouldn't be so bad if they used some of their profits to fund innovative new music. But they are just in it for themselves. Sod the musicians  The record companies are the artists employers at the end of the day. 

> 

> What a horrid thought!

> 

> On 19 Aug 2010, at 19:10, ceplaster at aol.com wrote:

> 

>> To add my own response to Mr. McGuinness...

>> 

>>      I buy my music through i-tunes.    I occasionally download torrents of OUT-OF-PRINT things that I can't find elsewhere.

>> The only thing that stops me from buying more stuff through I-tunes is that I have a hard time finding new music that doesn't suck!    If the bar was set a little higher out there I might be more willing to spend more.  

>>      I remember a while back someone telling me that the established labels were staying afloat primarily from back catalog sales and not from new releases.  Don't know if that is still the case, but wouldn't be surprised.    Having said that,  that is why a C to C+ Killing Joke record is still going to be a much better listen than some new bands best.

>>      While I totally agree that artists should get paid for their work, I will not give my money to artists who are lousy.  As much as internet piracy might be an issue, crappy music and dumb fuck a&r men are a far bigger problem.  -CP  

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: folk devil <folk.devil at hotmail.com>

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Sent: Thu, Aug 19, 2010 1:35 pm

>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) How to Save The Music Industry

>> 

>> I am going more with the aspect that most major labels always try and say that they are working in the artist's best interests, 99% of the time they are not.

>> I am happy in this day and age that it is easier to pay an artist more 'directly', and you know that they are not getting ripped off by some pseudo-muso business head.

>> 

>>  

>> > From: planetary at socal.rr.com

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:24:18 -0700

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) How to Save The Music Industry

>> > 

>> > folk devil wrote:

>> > 

>> > Nice! 

>> >  

>> > ________________________________________

>> > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:40:30 +0100

>> > From: Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: [kj] (OT) How to Save The Music Industry

>> > . . . Or not 

>> >  

>> > Paul McGuinness has another arsehole torn by blogger 

>> >  

>> > http://xrrf.blogspot.com/2010/08/bonos-friends-how-to-save-music.html

>> > 

>> > +++++++++

>> > 

>> > I'm no fan of McGuinness' viewpoints on "his" music industry, but that article was utterly obnoxious and worthless. Bitching for

>> > the sake of bitching never makes for a fun or enlightening read.

>> > 

>> > T.B.

>> > 

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