[kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

[sade1]

> the main thing that saved KJ 2003 


We can't forget "Implant." Of all the pop-friendly, nu-metally shapes and forms KJ could've returned as, the song to kick the door open was Implant.


 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things..]
 
'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   


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From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:53:22 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

I think the main thing that saved KJ 2003 was the lyrics (and of course the opening of "Asterooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiid" . And "You'll Never Get to Me" would have sounded good on one of their (or any band's ) 1980s albums.
 
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From: karen.weil at sddt.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:23:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks


The last two definitely have metal influences in them -- but Pandomonium is a far more melodic and interesting work than the '03 release. But yes, KJ are indeed post-punk. 
 
Cheers,
 
k.w. 
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>From: GREG SLAWSON 

>To: gathering 

>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:20 AM

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>I agree w/Chris--I think KJ is clearly post-punk (w/the exception of BTATS and OTG, which are lame new wave), but post punk was a very loose category (starting around 1979-80) that was more about an arty attitude towrd punk music than a specific sound. I also lump the Cure, Gang of Four, Joy Division, BIg Black, and many other bands in that category. I do agree though that Pandemonium and KJ 2003 (and to a lesser extent the last one) have clear metal influences though.

> 

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From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:26:13 -0400

>Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

>

>I always thought the industrial tag came from the time and particularly the sound in the beginning.  

>The industrial tag defined in a whole different way then what it started from.  It wasn't about the instruments more then the environement and the mood.

>

>Think of the early bands.  They were products of an industrialized society, Birmingham, Berlin, etc.  

>Now its computers and programming.

>

>Killing Joke is one of the toughest bands to categorize.  Maybe because  they have been for so long and their sound has changed as a result.

>

>I lump it into "traditional" post-punk.  And orginially that was just a loose tag for music that was hard to define

>

>Chris

>

>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:49:44 -0400

>> From: vassifer at earthlink.net

>> To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

>> 

>> 

>> NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs?

>> 

>> Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed.

>> 

>> Alex in NYC

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> >From: iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>

>> >Sent: Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM

>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

>> >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

>> >

>> >I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal'

>> >background then they can put a metal stamp on it

>> >The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant.

>> >the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago

>> >I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as

>> >being entertaining.

>> >

>> >But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be

>> >KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is

>> >unnecessary.

>> >

>> >I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took

>> >a different meaning.

>> >

>> >On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille

>> ><wessidetempest at hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >> I don't know if I can convey this properly.  It makes sense in my head.

>> >> Anyway.

>> >>

>> >> There have always been metal moments.  But unlike the NWOBHM which took

>> >> standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance

>> >> style of music.  And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types

>> >> of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over

>> >> and over and over and over again.  So instead of a keyboard blip its a

>> >> guitar chug.  It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human

>> >> element.  The movement of the human hand.

>> >>

>> >> Chris

>> >

>> >-- 

>> >iPat

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