[kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

[GREG SLAWSON]

I think the main thing that saved KJ 2003 was the lyrics (and of course the opening of "Asterooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiid" . And "You'll Never Get to Me" would have sounded good on one of their (or any band's ) 1980s albums.
 


From: karen.weil at sddt.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:23:45 -0700
Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks




The last two definitely have metal influences in them -- but Pandomonium is a far more melodic and interesting work than the '03 release. But yes, KJ are indeed post-punk. 
 
Cheers,
 
k.w. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: GREG SLAWSON 
To: gathering 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

I agree w/Chris--I think KJ is clearly post-punk (w/the exception of BTATS and OTG, which are lame new wave), but post punk was a very loose category (starting around 1979-80) that was more about an arty attitude towrd punk music than a specific sound. I also lump the Cure, Gang of Four, Joy Division, BIg Black, and many other bands in that category. I do agree though that Pandemonium and KJ 2003 (and to a lesser extent the last one) have clear metal influences though.
 


From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:26:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks



I always thought the industrial tag came from the time and particularly the sound in the beginning.  
The industrial tag defined in a whole different way then what it started from.  It wasn't about the instruments more then the environement and the mood.

Think of the early bands.  They were products of an industrialized society, Birmingham, Berlin, etc.  
Now its computers and programming.

Killing Joke is one of the toughest bands to categorize.  Maybe because  they have been for so long and their sound has changed as a result.

I lump it into "traditional" post-punk.  And orginially that was just a loose tag for music that was hard to define

Chris


> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:49:44 -0400

> From: vassifer at earthlink.net

> To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

> 

> 

> NEver understood the industrial tag. What's industrial about guitar/bass/drums/keybs?

> 

> Bottom line: What makes KJ so compelling is their inability to be accurately pigeon-holed.

> 

> Alex in NYC

> 

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> >From: iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com>

> >Sent: Oct 8, 2009 10:37 AM

> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

> >Subject: Re: [kj] fully ON topic - new tracks

> >

> >I guess I have always taken it that if someone comes from a 'metal'

> >background then they can put a metal stamp on it

> >The 'punk' background will see it in a different slant.

> >the 'dubber' will have left the party a looooong time ago

> >I have no metal roots and cannot even contemplate traditional metal as

> >being entertaining.

> >

> >But if you dont put your prejudice on it then it will just simply be

> >KJ. All music style has influence, but the need to compartilise it is

> >unnecessary.

> >

> >I recall it being called Industrial at one time, then Industrial took

> >a different meaning.

> >

> >On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Christof hamille

> ><wessidetempest at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >> I don't know if I can convey this properly.  It makes sense in my head.

> >> Anyway.

> >>

> >> There have always been metal moments.  But unlike the NWOBHM which took

> >> standard rock to another level the metal seem to be more based in a trance

> >> style of music.  And I guess what I mean by that in those electronic types

> >> of music you will typically have a common pattern that repeats over and over

> >> and over and over and over again.  So instead of a keyboard blip its a

> >> guitar chug.  It is taking the electronic devise and adding a human

> >> element.  The movement of the human hand.

> >>

> >> Chris

> >

> >-- 

> >iPat

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