[kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

[The Exorcist]

Bravo! Bravo! You've done it again!
(It seems it must be a common trait for 
Communists to repeat the same bumbling offenses repeatedly)
How I wish I had one of those game show stages 
with bells and whistles right about now.

It's Ayn Rand not Ann Rand.
(Whom I've never read. But is on my to read list. 
And whom I doubt you've ever read. It seems to me that you use the
"Collective" common talking points list and pick something out.)

Greg, you truly are one of a kind. I'll dub you 
my #1  Favorite/Entertaining communist.

Notice how I don't go around shouting, Be a 
Republican, Be a Democrat, Be a this or Be a that.
(Unlike you, my beloved ranting "CRUSH THE OPPOSITION" friend Comrade)
I've never initiated any Email for the sake of propagandizing a cause.
All my Emails are responses to people who attack 
things that are simply scapegoated as
the "end all and be all" of issues.

I guess when one doesn't have Karl Marx to quote 
and has to formulate his/her own opinion it takes
more that a one liner like "You're Wrong" and a 
very badly (yet once again) placed typo.
(I warned you about this in the last letter. Make 
sure you don't fuck up the MAIN OBJECT of your
sentence. See, I even care for propaganda 
communists. I was afraid it might happen, I warned you
of it, and now it has happened. *sigh*)
Or is it when one can't give a single proof or 
example of the greatness of his/her Idea in actual practice, they just
attack everything else. And can't really write more than 2 lines.

Once you wean yourself off of the tit of your 
"Marx" & "Collective" you'll understand it a bit more.

Groups lead to close mindedness (is that even a 
word?) and going after anyone who disagrees with them or
they are mad at. (Insert Pitchfork example here) 
Look at the various "groups" that do/did exist. Religious group
for example. how many people have suffered with 
bullshit because they were afraid they'd be ousted from "the group".
Be shunned at, Be laughed at, Be ignored and lose 
all their connections and associations they've built up.

Take your damn "group" and shove it.

Ps, sorry it's not 5 pages.

At 08:26 AM 3/20/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>How about "Dean Numbskull"? OK, just "Peter the 

>long-winded libertarian" (notice how I spelled 

>libertarian w/a small l, so you won't go into a 

>5 page explanation of how you don't feel the 

>need to belong to groups, you (and Ann Rand) are both individuals, etc etc

>

>

>----------

>Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:44:03 -0400

>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>I must admit, being called "dear" is far more 

>touching than numskull knumbskull. (Yeah I know,

>I'm beating it into the ground. I'll drop it). 

>I'm getting this mushy feeling inside.

>

>I should get my glasses upgraded but I just 

>don't have the time right now.(You a clairvoyant?)

>

>I was not quick to attack you, I was quick to 

>defend Brendan. Did I miss the LOL? No.

>Am I dense? Maybe.

>

>Let's just say that "Stephen Lawrence" has a 

>past history of being quick on the attack and if I recall correctly

>you had some choice words for Brendan (and 

>others) a few months ago. Something about a discussion over "metal" or

>shit like that.

>

>With that in mind the "lol" just did not come 

>off (to me at least) as quite genuine.

>I might be wrong. If I was... my bad. I'll own up to it. Ain't no one perfect.

>

>Regarding your issue with me not responding. 

>Believe it or not, there are times when I have nothing to say.

>(Yeah, I know it's rare when it comes to 

>politics and ideology). Being that I've never seen "witness" and not knowing

>anything about it, I find it difficult and 

>frankly quite stupid to reply to it. I try not 

>to talk about things that I know nothing off.

>

>Lovingly yours, (one good turn deserves another ehh?)

>Exo

>

>

>At 11:44 PM 3/19/2009, Stephen Lawrence wrote:

>oh dear exo did you not see the laugh out loud 

>at the end of my stastement [ looks like brendan 

>didn't see it either ] you guys should gret your 

>glasses upgraded  anyway ive noticed how you are 

>quick to atack me but ignore or refuse to pass 

>comment on any of my observations as a result i 

>just read and delete most times in fact ther has 

>been only 3 gatherers to actually send positive 

>responses oh well different folks and all that

>

>

>----------

>Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:23:13 -0400

>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>I am damn proud to say that I am acquainted with 

>Brendan though we disagree on just about everything.

>

>Over the years on "The Gathering" he has been 

>one of the most consistent, active, and open contributor to this list.

>

>If I would go through the past Email's and copy 

>his statements here you'd be amazed by his insight and witticisms.

>I think I'd even be so bold as to say he is 

>probably the wittiest Gatherer on the list and has a  way with words that I

>only wish I had. (you can spot them by all my lengthy and wordy responses)

>

>Why you had to point out his name is beyond my 

>scope nor is it beneficial to any sort of discussion. If you have

>an issue, state it. The last line added nothing 

>other than just trashing someone for stating something you find

>wrong/silly/stupid/whatever.

>

>If you would have left that out Brendan's name, 

>he would just as much have responded and try to explain his statement.

>I assure you.

>

>Have a good day Stephen.

>

>At 06:37 AM 3/19/2009, Stephen Lawrence wrote:

>like the fact that you mentioned the movie 

>witness there is proof that living by bible 

>teaching works and before people on here bleat 

>about no car or i-pods it's a funny thing that 

>humans don't miss what they never had the human 

>spirit can transcend the aquisition of material 

>things MINOG keep the debate going guys a lot of 

>you have risen in my estimation except brendan lol

>

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>From: gregslawson at msn.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:06:28 -0400

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>Why wouldn't they be able to? (See the movie 

>"Witness" if you really think people can't 

>cooperate). You always get a few who don't fit 

>in with anyone else, but as a comrade once said 

>"for the people who want to live in the woods 

>all by themselves, we can figure out something for them too".

>

>----------

>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:53:00 -0400

>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>And what if one can't work cooperatively?

>At 09:54 PM 3/17/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>I agree Brenden, and for 2 reasons:

>1. Humans have thing called brains and can 

>control their own behavior to an extent and

>2. Working cooperatively is the best way to go!

>Greg

>

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>From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:44:44 +1100

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>I read the other day that just over 50% of 

>Americans donate time to volunteer causes, an 

>average of 4.2 hours a week (sounds a little 

>high to me but who knows

most countries are 

>fucked up enough to need all the help they can 

>get). So the idea that ‘humans are inherently 

>selfish,’ that the corrupt will always end up in 

>power

doesn’t hold any water for me. In fact no 

>other species really comes close to us in terms 

>of our altruism and relationships.

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

><mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] 

>On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON

>Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2009 03:31

>To: gathering

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>People are always willing to parrot plattitudes 

>they've learned from anti-communist teachers, 

>parents, etc., w/o really thinking about them. 

>But in the US there is a nightly segment on nbc 

>news about how, in the tough economy, there is 

>an outpouring of people helping each other, 

>doing things for free, giving more to the less 

>fortunate, etc., w/o looking for any praise or 

>payback. And don't forget that we've never lived 

>in a time when poeple in power are prevented 

>form being corrupt, so how can we know if 

>everyone in power will automatically be corrupt?

>

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>From: folk.devil at hotmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:30:35 -0700

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>I find it interesting when some people term 

>humanity as some form of parasite. Do these 

>people include themselves in the analogy, or 

>not? If yes, do they use the idea as some form 

>of condonation for not giving a sh*t?

>There is a trend, particularly in industrial 

>music, to adopt this idea....hell of a way to 

>perpetuate the inert, or do they feel that they 

>are in touch with the zeitgeist?

>

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>From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:22:44 +1100

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

><http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html>http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html 

>

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

><mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] 

>On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

>Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:31

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>mankind has and continues to rule to the 

>detriment of others . Any leader showing 

>compassion is usually assassinated.Power 

>corrupts and usually those at the top are 

>moulded and coersed by the host of sychophants 

>and other manipulators who have thier own agenda 

>.  No doubt i will be scoffed and jeered at when 

>i say that mankind is incapable of looking after 

>himself and the world will only change for the 

>better when jesus comes to right the wrongs 

>...remember how they laughed at the people 

>attempting to make flight possible ...i rest my case

>

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>From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:01:15 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>  and there has to a way to recall leaders when 

> they do try to climb above others...

>

>  Like a coup or an asassination? I wish i had 

> your faith, but 99% of the time, those that 

> rise to the top make damn sure they can stay 

> there. You can never stop those that wish to 

> suceed at the expense of others, "feather the 

> nest and fuck the rest" etc. The concept of a 

> council like the Roman senate was supposed to 

> keep things fair and right but ultimately 

> backhanders, coersion and corruption take over, 

> all to satisfy the greedy few, and those Wolves 

> ALWAYS come dressed in Sheeps clothing.

>

>Nah, i think i'l just stick to treating people 

>like i want to be treated myself and hope it eventually rubs off on everyone.

>

>Keep dreaming Jel.

>

>Over and out

>

>Jelski

>

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>From: gregslawson at msn.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:36:00 -0400

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>That's the key--how to keep people from being 

>top of the pile and ripping others off. The 

>decision-making has to be collectivized and 

>people have to be accountable (the opposite of 

>the US bankers) and there has to a way to recall 

>leaders when they do try to climb above others...

>

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>From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:59:07 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>(w/communist distribution of goods and services according to need).

>

>And WHO decides who needs what? There's always 

>someone at the top of the pile. Great in theory, sadly lacking in practice.

>

>  Jelski

>

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>From: gregslawson at msn.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:27:30 -0400

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>Funny, the Progressive Labor Party advocates a 

>future revolutionary society in which we operate 

>without money! (w/communist distribution of 

>goods and services according to need). Maybe Jaz will join!

>

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>From: gasw30 at hotmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:19:35 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>Presumably Jaz's talk will centre on his upcoming book:

>

> From Jaz's entry on the wikipedia site (I don't 

> think it's been mentioned here yet, but apols etc).

>

>Coleman is writing a book about permaculture, 

>free energy, freedom and freedom-loving 

>individuals. The main thesis is on how to 

>survive without money. The book will be divided 

>into two parts; one part concentrating on the 

>music and other on the ideas behind 

>it.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaz_Coleman#cite_note-9> 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaz_Coleman#cite_note-9>[10] 

>The book is planned to be published in 2009. 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaz_Coleman#cite_note-10>[11]

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>From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:09:36 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>but bob we may not be able to contain laughter ;D)))

>

>i will ask as well for free,i dont care lol

>

>milindafgrant

>

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>From: bbarathy at btinternet.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:32:16 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>If I go up then you're not allowed to snigger 

>behind me! Or blowpipe me in the back with chewed up paper

>

>boBToo

><http://www.killingjoke.co.uk/>www.killingjoke.co.uk

>www.teamkinetic.co.uk

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><mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On 

>Behalf Of Phillipps Marc

>Sent: 13 March 2009 16:15

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

> >part of what keeps us all interested.

>And constantly frustrated

>I have a crisp £5 note for the first person to 

>ask him about Gems of Power at the London do :o)

>Marc.

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