[kj] OT: Bill Hicks

[Bette Dillinger]

Man, I thought that was a narcissistic bullshit fest.  Letterman's motivation seemed to be for him to "have the last word on the situation and be done with it" because it was *very dodgy* what they did to BH.  Of course Letterman had to always orient the discussion back to him (even though looking superficially upset now, he stated in a 1995 documentary definitively that it was "management's" decision to delete the material).  Bill Hicks' mother's face said it all when he tried to apologize to her.  Too little, too late.
 
    > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:37:50 +1100> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=Kpmb0SYRGhE> > Wow...Superletterman actually had the balls to apologise and question his> own actions in cutting Bill. And be honest about it being him who did it.> > Hate it when people do that atonement shit and make it harder to be pissed> off at them.> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On> Behalf Of Brendan> Sent: Monday, 2 February 2009 11:59> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> > You'll need half a pound of hash, a hot summer's day and several trips in> order to make that test scientific.> > >> > Inspired by all this, I've ripped both HATE RANTS IN E-MINOR by Bill> > Hicks and NO CURE FOR CANCER by Denis Leary onto my iTunes/iPod. Will> > listen to both in their respective entireties this week for a decent> > re-appraisal.> >> > Alex in NYC> >> >> >> > On Feb 1, 2009, at 7:25 PM, Darren A. Peace wrote:> >> >> I think my favourite Aristophanes line is about how rain is God> >> pissing through a sieve. Either from "Frogs" or "Clouds", can't> >> remember which.> >>> >> And I'm thankful that the "comedy is the new rock & roll" nonsense> >> was euthanised. Horrible idea, aggravated by working a while back> >> with a Jongleurs zombie who insisted on using the phrase> >> "observational comedy" in every sentence and then explaining what it> >> means, as though I were both 7 and unable to speak English. Still,> >> he liked the Steve Miller band, and I got him to go to a non-fancy> >> dress board meeting dressed as Roy "Chubby" Brown, so all ended well.> >>> >> Like Hicks (mainly for religious diatribes rather than right-on> >> boredom), think Leary is a weasel-faced also-ran who made the grave> >> mistake of involving himself in that appalling fireman TV series. Meh.> >>> >> Darren> >> Hungerford, UK> >>> >>> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> ] On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn> >> Sent: 31 January 2009 09:25> >> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >>> >> I think people taking comedy seriously has something to do with the> >> ancient role of the court jester, poking fun at the King etc. Like> >> Jaz & BPF mentioned in that brief interview that went around a while> >> ago. We expect them to amuse us, but there's also that angle of> >> social critique. Challenging values and challenging authority. With> >> the better comedians that is.you're not really gonna get it from> >> Larry the Cable Guy, or Seinfeld (but you *might* from Larry David).> >> Christ if I remember back far enough (Classical Studies at school in> >> '91) there was a Greek slave comic playwright who took the piss out> >> of those in power, Aristophanes.and even though he was a slave who> >> viciously & publicly ridiculed those in power, he got away with it> >> because he did it with great humour. It's hard to feel outrage about> >> something when an entire auditorium is cracking up about it...> >>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristophanes> >>> >> So elevating a comic who challenges the status quo to heroic> >> proportions isn't anything new.> >>> >> Hicks always said he attacked things that offended his sense of> >> reason, and after hearing that and going back over his stuff, it's> >> quite a theme. Not that it's anything unique in comedy. But the> >> extent to which he's worshipped, I stand by it - hence the staunch> >> defence, 15+ years after the event. No one has ever made me laugh as> >> hard and at the same time articulated a sense of outrage at the> >> primitive state of civilisation. Basically take your peak> >> experiences with whatever art or literature or whatever that has> >> really elevated your consciousness, that's how it felt for me,> >> listening to Hicks for the first time. So yeah, he's up there with> >> Hendrix and Robert Anton Wilson and Soundgarden and my other heroes,> >> but not because of some cult of personality or posthumous popularity.> >>> >> And I can forgive the bits where he goes over the top, to the same> >> extent I forgive Jaz for the same. Seems to go hand in hand with> >> 'being out there'.> >>> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> ] On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn> >> Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2009 19:44> >> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'; 'Alex Smith'> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >>> >> Oh no how'd we get into this? I thought I was raising an in joke> >> between Ade and me re SG vs STP to a) illustrate how I felt about> >> Hicks vs Leary, and b) make sure that it was taken light-heartedly.> >>> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> ] On Behalf Of ade> >> Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2009 08:40> >> To: Alex Smith; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >>> >> > PS: Soundgarden is, was, and e'er shall be LIGHT YEARS better than> >> STP.> >>> >> I'm sure they are mate, but how do I *make* myself like Soundgarden> >> & not like STP ? What I actually said was that I preferred STP is> >> all. I'm supposed to be wrong, how?> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> ]On Behalf Of Alex Smith> >> Sent: 30 January 2009 21:09> >> To: ade; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >> I saw Leary perform 'No Cure for Cancer' live in a tiny club in the> >> West Village, thanks.> >>> >> Hicks is funny, but has since become deified to ridiculous degrees.> >> Also, Hicks had a tiresomely sanctimonious quality to his work which> >> made me enjoy it less than Leary's.> >>> >> My opinion.> >>> >> Alex in NYC> >>> >> PS: Soundgarden is, was, and e'er shall be LIGHT YEARS better than> >> STP.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: ade> >> Sent: Jan 30, 2009 3:30 PM> >> To: Alex Smith , "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"> >> Subject: RE: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >> I get the feeling you've not actually seen the material that I argue> >> (amongst many others) Leary> >> clearly ripped from Hicks. In that case, how can you pass judgement?> >>> >> I loved Leary's 'No Cure for Cancer', until I got into Hicks. I> >> couldn't believe I was hearing the> >> same jokes VERY DISTINCTIVE jokes being repeated right back at me -> >> that totally destroyed> >> No Cure for cancer for me.> >>> >> Keep your fingers in your ears, it's only my opinion.> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> ]On Behalf Of Alex Smith> >> Sent: 30 January 2009 18:38> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); 'A list about> >> all things Killing Joke (the band!)'> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >> The perils and ramifications of smoking aren't really "niche"> >> material. You may not like Dennis Leary -- fair enough -- but to> >> accuse him of ripping off Hicks in that capacity is pretty unfair.> >>> >> Alex in NYC> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: Brendan Quinn> >> Sent: Jan 30, 2009 12:46 PM> >> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >> We were comparing them because they covered similar material, that> >> I'm pretty sure Hicks came up with and Leary stole. Specifically the> >> voicebox gag. I could be wrong, but that's the accusation.> >>> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> ] On Behalf Of Alex Smith> >> Sent: Saturday, 31 January 2009 03:59> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); 'A list about> >> all things Killing Joke (the band!)'> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >>> >> You seem to be equating them merely on the fact that they're both> >> "angry" comedians. That's not much to go on. I mean, why not toss> >> Don Rickles into the mix too, then?> >>> >> Alex in NYC> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: Brendan Quinn> >> Sent: Jan 30, 2009 10:31 AM> >> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Not a fair comparison.because?> >>> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> ] On Behalf Of Alexander Smith> >> Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 23:15> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >>> >>> >> Dennis Leary is rarely as earnest and sanctimonious as Bill Hicks> >> was capable of being. I love both, but it's not really a fair> >> comparison.> >>> >> Alex in NYC> >>> >>> >>> >> On Jan 30, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Brendan Quinn wrote:> >>> >>> >> Let Hicks=Soundgarden, and Let Leary=Stone Temple Pilots> >>> >> If Soundgarden=TotalGodheadOnEarth and STP=BigFatYawn, then Leary=?> >>> >> Please show working.> >>> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> ] On Behalf Of ade> >> Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 07:24> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >>> >> LOL, don't forget Denis Leary ;)> >>> >> From wikipeedo: 'an industry joke began to circulate about Leary's> >> transformation and subsequent success (roughly; "Question: Why is> >> Denis Leary a star while Bill Hicks is unknown? Answer: Because> >> there's no cure for cancer"'> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> ]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn> >> Sent: 29 January 2009 04:57> >> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'> >> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >> The only other comedians I'd put in that category (and none as good> >> as Hicks) would be George Carlin, and lately, Joe Rogan, who's a> >> surprising find actually.> >>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8> >>> >> PS: I haven't watched this in ages so apologies if it sucks, but> >> from memory it's pretty cool.> >>> >> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> ] On Behalf Of Bette Dillinger> >> Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2009 12:34> >> To: gathering at misera.net> >> Subject: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks> >>> >>> >> Hey everyone!> >> Strange, angering, yet I am still gonna try to catch it. In the> >> US David Letterman will be showing on Friday, the 30th, 11:30 EST> >> the routine of Bill Hicks' that was never aired by Letterman in 1994> >> because it was considered too "controversial". The routine that> >> sullied his relationship with the media to a degree.> >>> >> His mother Mary will also be a guest (the irony that the legal> >> executor of the estate is the ex attorney for Billy Ray Cyrus, but> >> then you can't make this shit up.).........> >> Damn, it has been 14 years! Are there any comedians that are flying> >> under the radar that should be checked out? I am still looking for> >> one whose voice is so resonant with truth and humour.> >>> >> Bette> >> size=2 width="100%" align=center>> >> Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. 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