[kj] [OT] King Crimson 5.1

[ceplaster at aol.com]

Not sure I understand what you're saying, but as far as 5.1 mixing goes, you can basically do it any way you want.   You can do it the way you describe and make things sound very authentic and honest.  For example, there are some 5.1 releases of the berlin philharmonic doing all the Beethoven symphonies.  If you listen to those, it makes you feel like you are sitting in the middle of the hall.  The orchestra is towards the front, and you get mostly ambience in the back speakers.
    By comparison,  you can mix 5.1 stuff where stuff can pop out of any speaker at any given time. It's all up to the mix engineer.   A great example of this is  "the sound of punk to come" by the Refused, the 5.1 mix is even more jarring than the stereo version.     - Carl


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Also, Isn't each channel (l,r.ctr., 2 rears, and sub) in 5.1 also recorded as a microphone would record the sound source (the band, a car crash, etc.) from the respective channel's position (l,r,ctr.,2rears and sub), in order to give true soundfield "depth" [if that's the right term for it]? 


 


 


 


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5.1 is surround sound.    five channels with a subwoofer.   Left, center, Right, right rear, left rear, and then the subwoofer.  You need a digital surround receiver , and then you need to have a dvd player that has a digital audio connection to the receiver. 

   Surround sound was more or less started by George Lucas for use in the first Star Wars movie.   He was unhappy with the prevailing state of movie sound at the time, and wanted to do better.    Although I am not completely sure of this,  I think he looked at the existing state of quadraphonic sound and adapted it a little.   Quad had 2 speakers in front and two in back, while early surround was left, center, right, and a mono rear channel.   When surround sound made the jump to digital,  they were able to make 2 rear channels and make them discrete from each other.    


    for the most part, surround sound is marketed towards the home theater crowd, but is actually a really cool format for music.  All you need is people with the talent and imagination to do it.  In addition to the KJ dvd, I might also mention that the Kraftwerk DVD


"Min
imum Maximum" has an excellent surround mix as well.  - Carl P.


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At the risk of looking totally clueless, I must ask:  what is 5.1? 


 


 


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Actually, I would say that 5.1 is less "fashionable" than it was a few years ago, when surround sound was emerging and record companies were releasing quite a bit of titles, especially during the Christmas retail season.    For the moment, it hasn't generated a huge grou ndswell of commercial success, and  has evolved into much more of a niche market phenomenon that music diehards are keeping alive.   Not completely unlike the classical music cd market,   i.e.  much smaller but consistent sales numbers when compared to rock record sales.5.1 has also renewed interest in all the quadraphonic sound releases that came out in the 70's, as there are  now computer programs that allow people to convert quad sources to files that can be uploaded to the internet and then downloaded and burned to disc on the other end. 





    I for one love  5.120, and look forward to hearing this stuff ,  especially "Red" when it comes out.    For those of you who haven't experienced the 'Gathering XXV" dvd through a good system with the 5.1 mix going,  it is well worth checking out .   Really makes you feel like you were there.       - Carl P.


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This 5.1 business is be coming quite fashionable.
Many electronic musicians have been doing this for a while, now. Pete Namlook, Richard Devine to name a couple...
 










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