[kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

[The Exorcist]

Ahhh, but I will write something in response and 
in defense of the teabag attendees.

I've read your posts Brendan, if I haven't we'd 
never have those really lengthy never ending back and forths. :)
I'm not a Ron Paulian fan.

There have been many responses here from many 
calling bullshit on the teaparty. I think there are some facts
that ought to be put out before the whole 
astrosturfing comment gets thrown around. I'll respond as well in regards
to the politicians, the pols and the media. I 
have no high and mighty attitude, I was never one to go OH I GOT YOU!

I just like to state my point as good as I can 
and move on. (Though I do admit it can take longer than I expect sometimes.)
I don't think you needed to take offense at my comments.
I'm not going to respond to the "you've just 
doused yourself" comment as I'm not sure if 
you're referring to me or the teaparty.

I never said you don't call anyone out or that 
you're blinkered (as per you), rather stated that the idea of disavowing any
legitimate credence of a forth coming argument 
based on what YOU know without hearing the response from someone who might
not agree with you and brings up the image of the 
blinkered ones. (Can we make "Blinkered" an official word?)
If I thought you were truly narrow minded I'd not 
make such a statement and just ignore it.
I brought it up specifically because I don't see you as such.

To be honest, I classify you in only one sense 
and that is "Brendan", I've yet to come up with a better grouping. :)

Sincerely,
The (sometimes) Loveable Fucking Ballbag
(Now, I'm gonna have Darren hitting on me cuz' he 
thinks we're gonna break up... *sigh*)

At 03:24 AM 4/18/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:

>I am writing off the teabaggers, not you you fucking ballbag.

>

>I’ve expressed my views about Obama and his 

>Wall-street colluding administration already. I 

>have practically no faith in him at all. Do you 

>read my posts before you go calling me 

>blinkered? I watched Glenn Beck (was it?) for 10 

>mins on youtube last night, and some of what he 

>said made sense, esp when he said that they are 

>anti govt not anti Obama. But that’s not what 

>the placards I read said. I also watch a lot of 

>Ron Paul on youtube. (Along with Ann Coulter and 

>Bill O’Reilly, only to laugh at them). I don’t 

>get what they are on about. The tax rates they 

>are protesting have been incumbent for 16 years, 

>they were inherited by Obama from Bush, and 

>Obama raise in the top tax rates of the 

>extremely wealthy (250K) still leaves it below 

>the Reagan administration’s level. So, no probs 

>you’re whingeing about taxes, but leave Obama 

>and all that crap about socialism out of it 

>because it was worse under previous Republican administrations FFS.

>

>How you say what you say is often as important 

>as the message. Actions speak louder than words. 

>Be open honest and up front with your message – 

>if you have to resort to bullshit, pretend you 

>have more popular support than you actually do, 

>make up a media circus to appear like a legit 

>grassroots movement, then I turn off, not 

>because I’m blinkered, but because you’ve just 

>doused yourself in bullshit as far as I’m 

>concerned, and I don’t have the time or will to 

>filter out any legit arguments from the 

>nonsense. I’ll wait until next time, I write this tea bagging thing off.

>

>I can’t stand this high and mighty attitude that 

>just because I called bullshit on something 

>because of the way it’s couched (in deception 

>and manipulation) that I’m blinkered and only 

>looking for an excuse to not listen. I called 

>out the media circus on Obama’s wife. I called 

>him out on his bailouts. I called him out for 

>hiring the Wall Streeters who got the world into 

>the mess it’s in now. I called him out for colluding with Wall Street.

>

>I probably know more about American politics than most Americans.

>

>

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>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

>

>You judge before you hear of anything I have to say? I expected more from you.

>

>By attacking something that does not exist as a 

>means of trying to defeat it, you simply emphasize

>the point of a certain group of people not being 

>able to hear anything out and go around with their

>blinders on.

>

>At 01:16 AM 4/18/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:

>

>The other side’s protest is a manipulation from 

>the top down made to look like a grass roots 

>movement though, that pretty much renders 

>anything you’re going to say suspect in my book. 

>It’s a shame because any legitimate debate they 

>might have is sullied when you know their method is deceptive.

>

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of The Exorcist

>Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2009 07:55

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Tender, moving YouTube video

>

>I was merely quoting your words. Maybe I put to much emphasis on words that

>people say and should've thought "maybe he means protest or demonstrate"?

>I did, but then wondered why the choice word of 

>riot came up. I guess that sometimes

>I'm just not so quick on the button. You'll have to forgive me.

>

>I'll be responding to the astro-turfing in a bit.

>

>It is amazing, however, that when one side 

>protests is all for valid reasons. When they other side protests

>it's all because they are a bunch of losers.

>

>Will write more later (though I promise not to 

>turn this into another 800 response email thread)

>(Twisted the fuck outa my ankle and gotta ice it 

>down right now. And on the first NICE day of 2009!)

>

>Cheers Oli!

>

>

>"> Since the Obama administration has cut taxes for 95% of Americans,

> > including the working and middle class, but has promised (yet has not

> > yet delivered) to raise taxes on income over $250,000 - to raise these

> > taxes to LESS THAN THEY WERE UNDER REAGAN, it means we are living in a

> > socialist, totalitarian society. So we gotta riot.

> >

> > -Oliver"

>

>

>At 10:35 AM 4/17/2009, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

>

>Who said there were tea party "riots"???

>

>I never did. I just pointed out the truth, which 

>is that they are 'astro-turf' (fake grass 

>roots), corporate directed anti-Obama events 

>designed to give vent to sore losers from the 2008 POTUS election.

>

>

>As far as the teabagging fests, which looked 

>like the worst Sarah Palin rallies from last year, this man is my hero:

>

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkOwsIIIe5I

>

>

>He 'infiltrated' a tea party and actally said 

>something that was true. He's got big bals for 

>doing that, because most of the people at them 

>are nuts. Accordingly, he gets booed.

>

>-Oliver

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