[kj] Official Site

[Lennonka]

Lennon has a better anti-religion song.
It's called "God":
"God is concept by which we measure our pain. ... I just believe in me. ..."

I had to post my bit this time, Lennon is a crucial keyword...

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:52 PM, GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com> wrote:


>  Great anti-religion songs:

> PiL: Religion

> XTC: Dear God

> Lennon: Imagine

> Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick

>                                              All religions make me want to

> throw up

>                                              They claim that they have the

> answers

>                                               When they don't even know the

> questions

>                                              They're just a bunch of liars

>                                               THey just want your money

>                                               THey just want your

> consciousness"

>

> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700

> > From: joker at Z6.com

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> >

> >

> > In my dealings, I have found those who make the claim to be Christian the

> most unforgiving narrow minded individuals who are unable to confront the

> massive contradictions in their lives.

> >

> > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he was a preacher, obviously a

> highly effective one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be!

> >

> > What concerns me is how his words have been read and are frequently

> totally ignored by his followers.

> >

> > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap from the dealings I have had

> with you off list, but I am alarmed that you might take a simple issue of

> someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong.

> > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His teachings are about forgiveness,

> understanding and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with hookers! I

> doubt very much if he would have been a homophobe if he trely was as good as

> his word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a collection of stories

> that were put together by people after the fact putting their spin on it.

> The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were Jesus's

> teenage years? That's for another time.............

> >

> > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like all the other religions I

> have come across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, downright

> spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons.

> >

> > I've an open mind about God. He might or might not exist. Dunno, doubt I

> ever will. But I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty pissed off

> with all the people running round the world doing things in his/her name!

> >

> > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the population of the Earth is not

> the act of an omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told that God gave us

> free will and that we should use it and that would determine our fate. What

> you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do it your way but when it's

> not going how I like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of contradictions

> make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians.

> >

> > I will say that the CHristians have given us some fine architecture

> though, so they're not all THAT bad!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear

> >

> > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote:

> >

> > From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)" <

> gathering at misera.net>

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT)

> >

> > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse

> disagreement

> > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and

> > this sums up what I think about it:

> >

> > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in

> > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving

> > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a

> misogynistic,

> > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential,

> > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

> >

> > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1.

> >

> > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone

> > who has seen the truth:

> >

> > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his

> > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of

> > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is

> > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality.

> > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do

> > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all

> > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It

> > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there

> > with you.

> >

> > Greg (former Christian)

> >

> >

> > >

> > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not

> > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even

> > > down to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be

> eating

> > > or exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you

> feel

> > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric

> > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will

> get

> > > back what is in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way

> for

> > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king

> > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a

> good

> > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact

> don't

> > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what

> > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it

> > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his

> patience

> > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's

> > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he will establish HIS kingdom to

> save

> > > mankind from itself

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > No, actually, that’s not what Christianity is all about at all, and

> ‘Bible

> > > Wisdom’ is an oxymoron.

> > >

> > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it’s all about taking the centre of gravity

> out

> > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell.

> > >

> > > SAY YOU’LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK.

> > >

> > >

> > > Recognise the quote?

> > >

> > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope

> is

> > > against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And

> the

> > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of

> > > priests’ kiddie fiddling. You couldn’t find an organisation where it

> was

> > > more institutionalised.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:

> gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

> > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you

> > > never know what tomorrow may bring

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post.

> > >

> > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this

> unnaturally

> > > warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may

> not

> > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a

> pleasant

> > > autumn as consolation prize

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > >

> > > S'ok sweet pea.

> > >

> > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-))

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > > I can roll with that SL.

> > >

> > > Fools that fuck only for fun.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that

> > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of

> sex

> > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes

> > > both men and women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in

> other

> > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships

> > >

> > >

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