[kj] Official Site

[Brendan Quinn]

Does it mean they don't feel guilty about it? No

 

That's my whole problem, the issue of guilt. The submission to the greater
power of god and the repulsive edifice of the Catholic church. Fair enough
to own up and take responsibility for what you've done and commit to
improving. Weird to do it to a guy in a dress who you call Father, who's
probably never had sex with anyone (so is more pure than thou), and
represents an organisation that sets itself up as the sole arbiter of truth
despite all evidence to the contrary, who covers up / pays off / denies its
adepts' interference with young boys, who perpetuates the spread of AIDS,
who has no ability to deal with the temptations of addiction other than via
JUST SAY NO nonsense.

 

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:32
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

 

Dude... you are totallllllly missing the point.

Look at Greg's issue re: confession "was that people seem to confess sins
each week and then go out and commit the same ones again--I think that is
one thing that has turned off many"

I'm responding to that point and that point only. This has to do with the
concept of someone confessing their sins.

Confession:
Does it mean he/she won't repeat the sin? No. Does it mean they don't feel
guilty about it? No
Does that make them a hypocrite? No. Ain't no one perfect buddy.

At 11:26 AM 4/1/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:



Anyone who tells an addicted person that they are inherently bad, and will
burn for eternity if they don't change their ways will be out of that
position quick smart if the organisation they are working within is any
good. Sorry, but I agree it was a bad analogy.
 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net
<mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> ] On Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 02:22
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site
 
You're implying that people who go to confession have no intention on
changing. Have you been in their minds?
Is this a de-facto? Are there differences between the people that go? Are
they all one lump sum?



At 11:11 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

No, I think you still don't get the differences idea. Just like I
distinguished b/w the JW's (according to what Stephen said) and the Catholic
approach to confession, there are huge differneces in what people who call
themselves Communists believe and want to do. Also, you're example of a
druggie is a poor one--I was referring to people who go to confession and
confess w/no intention of trying to change their behavior. Most people who
voluntarily go to rehab at least have the intention of trying to quit... 
 

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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:35 -0400
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

Greg, seriously... You really must try and "THINK" (I know it might be a
foreign concept to you) before
you write something. I've already covered your "differences" answer in both
Emails. It's really a bad tactic
to accuse someone of not being able to discern something when they state it
quite clearly. If all communists
think and argue like you, well.....

Re: Your issue with confession, So when a druggie/alcoholic goes to rehab
and tries to do better, falls back down, goes
to rehab again, falls back down... ad infinitum.... Do you tell him "stop
going to rehab"?

Re: Peter West, if you really really really wish me to be Peter West, well I
guess anything is possible.
(Sorta like Communism being the one true answer!)



At 10:44 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:
Well, just to back you up a bit Stephen, I've heard some good things about
the dude Jesus, like that he was in some ways the 1st communist. (I've also
heard about a book that postulates that he was a combination of several real
people rather than just 1, but that may not be the main issue). One thing
that always confused me about Catholicism (and I know you're religion is
quite different--yes, I can distinguish differences, unlike PETER WEST) was
that people seem to confess sins each week and then go out and commit the
same ones again--I think that is one thing that has turned off many (former)
Catholics. Maybe the JW's have a better handle on the sin issue!
 

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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:26:18 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site
i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have an intelligent
and informed debate on here because users choose to just pick parts of a
conversation to use for misquoting and misinformation to further thier own
selfish agenda which usually results in petty sniping andcharacter
assassination
 

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From: vassifer at earthlink.net
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:17:43 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site


I'm with Jel on this one. While I respect other people's faiths, I don't
care much for fervent Christian proselytizing (after fourteen years of
Catholic education, I've had quite enough of that, thanks!)
Alex in NYC


On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:07 AM, jerry bodkin wrote:
none of us will get back what is in this world as it is going to be
destroyed to make way for jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like
a demented child king long enough'' 
  
You can leave me out of this, i much prefer stumbling around like a demented
child king thank you. 
  
"Too much need to believe-Madness" 
  
Jehovah dont wanna move into my neighbourhood, he would'nt be welcome! 
  
Now prepare for the rain of fire! 
  
Jelly 
 

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From: stephen.l at live.com 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:54:04 +0000 
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site
hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not
studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even down
to the wisdom about doing things in moderation whethrer it be eating or
exercising..have a go at the book proverbs ..and then see how you feel ..i
am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric that also
shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get back what is
in this world as it is going to be destroyed to make way for jehovah's
kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king long enough''
..recognise that quote ?...although i believe i have a good command of the
english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't know what an
oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what christianity is all about
but in fact man's own perverted version of it just as jesus said would
happen when he left but jehovah in his patience and wisdom has given mankind
time to turn back to him but know's man's sinful nature will prevent him
...so he will establish HIS kingdom to save mankind from itself 
 

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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100 
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site
No, actually, that's not what Christianity is all about at all, and 'Bible
Wisdom' is an oxymoron. 
  
As Nietzsche pointed out, it's all about taking the centre of gravity out of
the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell. 
  
SAY YOU'LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK. 
  
Recognise the quote? 
  
PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is
against effective birth control for starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the
catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of
priests' kiddie fiddling. You couldn't find an organisation where it was
more institutionalised. 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 
  
not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you never
know what tomorrow may bring 
 

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From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100 
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 
Oh you grim bugger.  My eyes! >: reading your post. 
This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds.
  
if you are genuinely talking about the weather ..i'd say this unnaturally
warm for this time of year is a lull before the storm which may or may not
herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer like last year with a pleasant
autumn as consolation prize 
 

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From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100 
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 
S'ok sweet pea. 
We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think?  :-))
  
thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed 
 

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From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk 
To: gathering at misera.net 
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100 
Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site 
I can roll with that SL. 
Fools that fuck only for fun.
  
what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that enforces
stereotyping of women and men and teaches a distorted view of sex which is
not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes both men and
women feel inadequate and enforces false body image in other words porn
perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships 
 

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