[kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?

[The Exorcist]

Naaaa, Pat has his own issues.
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/buchanan_own_words/print.asp

And
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"In light of the smearing of Governor Palin by 
Obama surrogate Robert Wexler and Obama spokesman 
Mark Bubriski, both of whom alleged Palin was a 
supporter of Patrick Buchanan and therefore a 
"Nazi sympathizer," this statement from Buchanan today seems noteworthy:

Let me say about Israel here. My position on 
Israel is frankly awful. It is like Mika 
[Brzezinski]'s father's, it's a lot closer to 
Barack Obama's than it is John McCain. I think 
Barack is right, we ought to talk to the 
Iranians, he's right to oppose the war and, 
frankly, he's right to say the Palestinian people 
have got a terrible deal over there and their 
suffering ought to be recognized. That's Obama's 
position. It's my position. I don't think it is a Nazi position.

Governor Palin never supported Pat Buchanan, 
having supported Steve Forbes in both 1996 and 
2000. Still, it must give great comfort to Wexler 
and Bubriski that Pat Buchanan does support Obama's position on Israel."

Most Conservatives don't care much for him these 
days and he's supporting Obama. :)
He has own reasons for disillusionment and using 
his "conservative" label to legitimize what he says.

At 04:57 AM 9/7/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

>fluke fluke wrote:

>

>"Or perhaps not. Funny how the Not In My Name 

>crowd always overlooks aggression by Communist 

>or 'former' Communist regimes. There's no such 

>reticence when it comes to portraying George W. 

>Bush as the new Hitler or daubing swastikas on 

>the Israeli flag. Look at the protests against the wars in Iraq and Lebanon."

>

>=========

>

>Pat Buchanan is hardly the kind of cartoon lefty 

>you bloviate against above (he is Reagan's 

>former speech writer, a self-described 

>"paleo-conservative," etc.) and this is his take 

>on the war -- that Georgia started:

>

>------

>http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan93.html

>

>Is Not Western Hypocrisy Astonishing?

>

>by Patrick J. Buchanan

>

>Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the 

>opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's 

>invasion of its breakaway province of South 

>Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal 

>Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.

>

>Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the 

>Six-Day War. Saakashvili's blunder probably 

>means permanent lose sainding tens of thousands 

>fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was 

>whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours.

>

>Vladimir Putin took the opportunity to kick the 

>Georgian army out of Abkhazia, as well, to bomb 

>Tbilisi and to seize Gori, birthplace of Stalin.

>

>Reveling in his status as an intimate of George 

>Bush, Dick Cheney and John McCain, and America's 

>lone democratic ally in the Caucasus, 

>Saakashvili thought he could get away with a 

>lightning coup and present the world with a fait accompli.

>

>Mikheil did not reckon on the rage or resolve of the Bear.

>

>American charges of Russian aggression ring 

>hollow. Georgia started this fight ­ Russia 

>finished it. People who start wars don't get to decide how and when they end.

>

>Russia's response was "disproportionate" and "brutal," wailed Bush.

>

>True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb 

>Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border 

>skirmish where several Israel soldiers were 

>killed and two captured? Was that not many times more "disproportionate"?

>

>Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed 

>Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia 

>for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender 

>a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far 

>greater historic claim than Georgia had to 

>Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

>

>Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

>

>When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we 

>celebrated. When Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, 

>Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosovo broke from Serbia, 

>we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two 

>provinces, whose peoples are ethnically separate 

>from Georgians and who fought for their 

>independence, should succeed in breaking away?

>

>Are secessions and the dissolution of nations 

>laudable only when they advance the agenda of 

>the neocons, many of whom viscerally detest Russia?

>

>That Putin took the occasion of Saakashvili's 

>provocative and stupid stunt to administer an 

>extra dose of punishment is undeniable. But is 

>not Russian anger understandable? For years the 

>West has rubbed Russia's nose in her Cold War 

>defeat and treated her like Weimar Germany.

>

>When Moscow pulled the Red Army out of Europe, 

>closed its bases in Cuba, dissolved the evil 

>empire, let the Soviet Union break up into 15 

>states, and sought friendship and alliance with 

>the United States, what did we do?

>

>American carpetbaggers colluded with Muscovite 

>Scalawags to loot the Russian nation. Breaking a 

>pledge to Mikhail Gorbachev, we moved our 

>military alliance into Eastern Europe, then onto 

>Russia's doorstep. Six Warsaw Pact nations and 

>three former republics of the Soviet Union are now NATO members.

>

>Bush, Cheney and McCain have pushed to bring 

>Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. This would 

>require the United States to go to war with 

>Russia over Stalin's birthplace and who has 

>sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula and 

>Sebastopol, traditional home of Russia's Black Sea fleet.

>

>When did these become U.S. vital interests, justifying war with Russia?

>

>The United States unilaterally abrogated the 

>Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty because our 

>technology was superior, then planned to site 

>anti-missile defenses in Poland and the Czech 

>Republic to defend against Iranian missiles, 

>though Iran has no ICBMs and no atomic bombs. A 

>Russian counter-offer to have us together put an 

>anti-missile system in Azerbaijan was rejected out of hand.

>

>We built a Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from 

>Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey to cut 

>Russia out. Then we helped dump over regimes 

>friendly to Moscow with democratic "revolutions" 

>in Ukraine and Georgia, and tried to repeat it in Belarus.

>

>Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity 

>to see ourselves as others see us is not high among them.

>

>Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan, 

>where Europe had opted out of the Cold War after 

>Moscow installed those SS-20 missiles east of 

>the Elbe. And Europe had abandoned NATO, told us 

>to go home and become subservient to Moscow.

>

>How would we have reacted if Moscow had brought 

>Western Europe into the Warsaw Pact, established 

>bases in Mexico and Panama, put missile defense 

>radars and rockets in Cuba, and joined with 

>China to build pipelines to transfer Mexican and 

>Venezuelan oil to Pacific ports for shipment to 

>Asia? And cut us out? If there were Russian and 

>Chinese advisers training Latin American armies, 

>the way we are in the former Soviet republics, 

>how would we react? Would we look with bemusement on such Russian behavior?

>

>For a decade, some of us have warned about the 

>folly of getting into Russia's space and getting 

>into Russia's face. The chickens of democratic 

>imperialism have now come home to roost ­ in Tbilisi.

>

>August 16, 2008

>

>Patrick J. Buchanan [send him mail] is 

>co-founder and editor of The American 

>Conservative. He is also the author of seven 

>books, including Where the Right Went Wrong, and 

>A Republic Not An Empire. His latest book is 

>Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War.

>

>

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