[kj] Dutch

[Brendan]

That's such a typical white male pommy thing to say.


> Maybe the need to categorise is a by-product of how our brains work?

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On

> Behalf Of folk devil

> Sent: 29 October 2008 17:29

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

>

>

> Nationality is a myth.

> It just keeps you neat and tidy in your box, even when it cannot represent

> every Culture contained inside.

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>> From: karen.weil at sddt.com

>> To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net

>> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:10:34 -0700

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

>>

>> OK, Change: Settle down. I say it only in a general sense. And guess

>> what? I

>> actually think that about *most* people -- regardless of nationality,

>> etc.

>>

>> Respectfully,

>>

>> k.w.

>> (open-minded American)

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> <gathering at misera.net>

>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:46 AM

>> Subject: [kj] Dutch

>>

>>

>> > ALL the Dutch are good people?

>> >

>> > That seems a simplisitic view...

>> >

>> >> From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,

>> >> 28 Oct 2008 10:27:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets

>> >> Below: How We Wait in Europe

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry. The Dutch are good people

>> >> (but sorry about your one experience there!) And I

>> >> couldn't agree with you about judging an entire

>> >> group/city/nation, etc. based on the actions of a few jerks.

>> >> It only leads to no good.

>> >>

>> >> Anyway, tot ziens!

>> >>

>> >> k.w.

>> >>

>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>> >> From: jerry bodkin

>> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:48 AM

>> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe

>> >> Holland is a lovely country and the Dutch are a lovely

>> >> people, ive been there several times including once for just

>> >> 12 hours(10 of them in a police cell) but we'll leave

>> >> that there! France too is a beautiful beautiful place and

>> >> the people there too are lovely once you make an effort with

>> >> them. i.e. try at least to speak the language. Give me

>> >> Europe any day. Too often we judge an entire race on

>> >> individual behaviour, my God, what must most of the world

>> >> think of us English. Jelala.

>> >>

>> >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com> To:

>> >> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net> Date:

>> >> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice

>> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > Hi,

>> >> Change:> > Appreciate your thoughts on Belgium;

>> >> it's a fine place. Germany also offers > so much, and

>> >> has a very strong avant-guarde scene.> However, I have to

>> >> take issue with your comments about the Dutch and >

>> >> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have a totally different

>> >> attitude when it > comes to languages; that's why so

>> >> many of them speak three or four of them. > Whatever

>> >> differences they may have with their European neighbors; I

>> >> really > don't think the English issue plays a great

>> >> role.> And while Paris is outrageously expensive (I was

>> >> there in May; and believe > me, it was no fun coming from

>> >> a country where the currency is in the > toilet!), I

>> >> really can't agree with your observations about the

>> >> French, > either. (Although I will concur about their

>> >> love of Wire!)> But at any rate, enjoy travelling -- veel

>> >> plezier, as the Dutch say!> > Groetjes,> >

>> >> k.w.> > ----- Original Message ----- > From:

>> >> "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>

>> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> >> band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:

>> >> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53 AM> Subject: [kj] Nice

>> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > > > How

>> >> nice it was to escape this ever more petty joke of a nation,

>> >> occupied > > as it has been by the USA since WW2. If

>> >> you want to get away from this > > rotten island then

>> >> a great place to go is Belgium. Its not too far by > >

>> >> coach through the tunnel. Brussels is beautiful. The streets

>> >> smell of > > coffee and chocolate, the people are

>> >> jolly and kind and there is great art > > everywhere.

>> >> No wonder Colin and Malka made it their home. There are also

>> >> > > lots of Belgians with little noses straight out of

>> >> a Tintin book. The food > > and beer are amazing. I

>> >> thought Brussels was wonderful but then I made it > >

>> >> to Ghent and was pretty damn glad the trams had been aborted

>> >> by a flower > > festival because I walked along the

>> >> canal to get back to the station and > > realised that

>> >> this is architecturally the most beautiful city I have seen.

>> >> > > I haven't made it to Prague yet though!

>> >> Antwerp looks like a low rent > > Barcelona copy, in

>> >> the same way Manchester tries to be European but always >

>> >> > ends up looking like> > a post-industrial dump.

>> >> Tilberg is very boxy but the people were partying > >

>> >> hard and late and the Dutch all seem to think the rest of

>> >> Europe is crap > > just because they don't all

>> >> speak perfect English! "Those crazy Dutch!" >

>> >> > said Lewis but I can't remember why. Maybe it was

>> >> something to do with the > > hotel WIRE rejected in

>> >> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said it was so > >

>> >> grotty she didn't even want to put her bag down in it

>> >> let alone sleep in > > it!> >> > Berlin is

>> >> a great place to explore, full of impressive sites and large

>> >> > > enough to spend years there I'd warrant.

>> >> Tiergarten is the largest and > > most lovely park

>> >> I've ever strolled through. German venues also make a

>> >> > > mockery of British ones in terms of the sound.>

>> >> >> > Strasbourg has a fine market where I found a

>> >> sabre for a mere twenty > > euros, a light sabre for

>> >> two euros and a tiny plastic Obelix for twenty > >

>> >> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but the modern art gallery,

>> >> watched over by > > one of Lovecraft's Forgotten

>> >> Ones, is even better. I spent too long there > > so

>> >> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My Cologne friend Dirk

>> >> from the > > Gathering reckons Strasbourg is cool

>> >> because of the huge German influence. > > Cancel your

>> >> order, crossing the border, changing the menu!> >>

>> >> > The Eyefull tower is good for a stroll but Paris is

>> >> full of too many slow > > people and the prices are

>> >> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non je pense que je > >

>> >> WAIT until ich gehe zu Belqigue! Paris hotels are the worst.

>> >> Unlike > > Germany and Belgium, the beer is worse than

>> >> Britain. French computer > > keyboards were designed

>> >> by a retard and the showers go some way to > >

>> >> explaining why the English have often mocked the French for

>> >> being > > hygenically challenged. The redeeming

>> >> feature of the French is that many > > of them seem to

>> >> really love WIRE and gave the most enthusiastic response

>> >> > > of any crowds on this tour.> >> >

>> >> Anyway this was the route of my rail and road trip:>

>> >> >> > I arrived in beautiful Brussels in the middle

>> >> of some kind of medieval > > WARDANCE pageant. I had

>> >> time to visit the city's most mainstream record >

>> >> > store just opposite Ancienne Belquique which Killing

>> >> Joke would conquer by > > and by. I was rewarded by

>> >> finding a copy of one of the few PJ HARVEY > > singles

>> >> I didn't yet possess, 'A PLACE CALLED HOME.'>

>> >> >> > After a couple of hours I caught the train to

>> >> gorgeous Ghent for the WIRE > > gig at Democrazy.>

>> >> >> > Next day I took trains via Antwerp and a bus

>> >> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > > Tilburg just in time to

>> >> catch the seismic riffin' PELICAN and Dutch > >

>> >> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED before WIRE blasted off at

>> >> around 7pm. Later I > > was also entertained by the

>> >> double breasted PRE and a Satanic black metal > > band

>> >> who gave the crowd the finger for watching them, all of

>> >> which was > > unexpected.> >> > On

>> >> returning to Brussels I witnessed a lovely WIRE gig at La

>> >> Botanique, a > > venue which could verily call itself

>> >> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired. > > I struck up

>> >> conversation with a charming photographer and graphic

>> >> designer > > called Violette who sent me eight great

>> >> photos of WIRE from the gig.> >> > After the gig

>> >> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp and jumped on the night

>> >> > > train where I was entertained by conversation with

>> >> a former theatre > > director who had just aborted a

>> >> trip to Turkey. He recommended a trip to > >

>> >> Tiergarten which proved very good advice. My first police

>> >> encounter was > > with two cops on the Ostbahnhof

>> >> platform who took a rather long time > > checking to

>> >> find out if Interpol have a warrant out on me for listening

>> >> to > > music in my living room. Berlin is also very

>> >> cool and well worth a visit > > in its own right, but

>> >> smells worse than Brussels.> >> > The first

>> >> night was free before the arrival of KILLING JOKE so I

>> >> checked > > out the SO36 venue where they and WIRE

>> >> played, which was immortalised in a > > song on the

>> >> first KILLING JOKE album. The sound was excellent as are all

>> >> > > other German venues I've ever been to. The

>> >> soundman played KILLING JOKE > > before the headline

>> >> act, a comedy punk trio who weren't very funny but >

>> >> > probably liked DEVO. We talked after the gig and I run

>> >> into him again at > > the KILLING JOKE gigs.>

>> >> >> > After the amazing KILLING JOKE regeneration in

>> >> Berlin, with Big Paul's > > drum kit illuminated

>> >> and smoking ritualistically, I planned to head to > >

>> >> Paris to see them there. The train times were TOO LATE so at

>> >> the last > > minute I rerouted to Strasbourg for more

>> >> WIRE and this proved a wise > > choice as the COMET

>> >> hit very late and I caught the whole set in front of a >

>> >> > very young and enthusiastic crowd at a festival that

>> >> went on until 6am. > > Next day my second run in with

>> >> cops was with two French transport police > > who ask

>> >> me to wrap up my sword so that it couldn't be seen

>> >> before I caught > > the train.> >> > Paris

>> >> next for more WIRE, on a first class train where I started

>> >> downing > > some of the left over Heineken from last

>> >> night's rider and upset a French > > idiot who had

>> >> a tantrum because I couldn't stop belching even when she

>> >> > > kicked my chair. She complained to the guard and

>> >> he clearly thought it was > > a bit silly having to

>> >> ask me not to belch when I couldn't help it. In the >

>> >> > end she started complaining I was playing the BUTTHOLE

>> >> SURFERS too loud on > > my headphones and he came

>> >> back, again embarrassed, to ask me to turn it > >

>> >> down. Then she had a stroke of genius and moved to another

>> >> seat. Perhaps > > its a good job the sword was

>> >> wrapped!> > If you ever feel like going to Paris my

>> >> advice is don't bother. Go in a > > cafe that

>> >> advertises coffee for a Euro and they greasy waiters will

>> >> > > chearge you five.> >> > It was nice to

>> >> speed back to Belgium and Brussels which was already >

>> >> > seeming like a second home. I found many cool CDs in

>> >> the shops, including > > quite appropriately

>> >> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE. Being there for three days I had >

>> >> > plenty of time to explore and each day surpassed the

>> >> previous one. I met > > so many great people in

>> >> Belgium I felt like moving there!> >> > My

>> >> favourite songs to listen to on a speeding train were>

>> >> > KILLING JOKE - Pssyche> > WIRE - Drill (DJ

>> >> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear the moderate Craig

>> >> won't like that will he?> > KILLING JOKE -

>> >> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY - Taut> > EINSTURZENDE

>> >> NEUBAUTEN - Haus Der Lauge> > BAND OF SUSANS - Guitar

>> >> Trio> > KILLING JOKE - Empire Song> > WIRE -

>> >> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent> > BUTTHOLE SURFERS -

>> >> Who was in my room last night?> >> > Back home

>> >> after another awesome double dose of the mighty JOKE I had a

>> >> day > > of rest and didn't even have time enough

>> >> to notice what a terminal dump > > Manchester is

>> >> because the MELVINS wheeled in to rock the town and give me

>> >> > > a chance to catch up with lots of old friends.

>> >> That is the great thing > > about Manchester, lots of

>> >> good gigs.> >> > Next day I was off again to

>> >> London for the KILLING JOKE homecoming and as > >

>> >> chaotic synchronicity would have it, THALIA ZEDEK and her

>> >> band began their > > tour the very next day. She's

>> >> a brilliant intense songwriter. Check her > > out

>> >> while you still can...> >> >

>> >> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek> >> > Her tour ends

>> >> on October 23 at La Botanique in Brussels!> >> >

>> >> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK BAND gigs in England and

>> >> after the best one > > at Hull Adelphi I had to zoom

>> >> down to Cheam in Surrey for my younger > >

>> >> sister's wedding. The lavish reception was held on a

>> >> Territorial Army base > > but my uncles and I resisted

>> >> the temptation to hijack a tank. One thing I > > gave

>> >> her was a copy of 'UH HUH HER' by PJ HARVEY as

>> >> "The Desperate Kingdom > > of Love"

>> >> couldn't really be a better song to wish for a long

>> >> loving > > marriage, at the end of this burning

>> >> world.> >> > Then I went home to transcribe

>> >> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE and > > WIRE,

>> >> blow up some more stereo speakers, and wait for civilization

>> >> to fall > > in its grave.> >> >

>> >> ACCELERATE> > ACCELERATE> >> >>

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