[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[Brendan]

I have sorta been expecting something like this ever since the web came
into being, or even email. Replication of memes is incredibly fast and
almost impossible to stop by the corporate lobby.

They have some interesting ideas.

I already agree that rational, intelligent, well educated, unbiased minds
(scientists in particular) should have far more say, over corporates,
politicians, the religious lobby etc. Irrational lobby groups have far too
much say.

I agree that the military are an anachronism to a large extent (although
until every disarms, there's no way you could go whole hog in one
step...but the US pulling military out from o/s bases for example would be
a start...)

I agree that as soon as you remove people from behind the wheel of cars
and implement a decent automated system, you'll basically kiss goodbye to
the road toll. As much as petrol heads will be annoyed (tough)

What I find interesting is their idea that human nature is largely
irrelevant - it's the environment that dictates behaviour. In the absence
of scarcity, people tend to be nice and share with each other. With
scarcity and fear of scarcity, and hugely unequal distribution of wealth,
to the point that many don't even have the basics...you end up with
poverty, crime, poor health etc.

Most of what they say makes perfect sense. I dunno about moving to a
system of no money (Jaz agrees), but I do like the idea of doing away with
countries.

Interesting stuff, kind of what I've been harping on about for a while.

Wonder how big their island is...?




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> who ever does their PR is rather good ;)

> they're all over the internets.."

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> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:48:23 +1300From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.comTo:

> gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

> http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+refuted+1+of+10&search_type=&aq=0&oq=zeitgeist+refuted

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> you checked out any of the anti-zeitgeist crowd? i got through a few

> minutes.....

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> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> wrote:

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> So has anyone seen Zeitgeist: Addendum?

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> Apart from the ridiculous idea of putting the word 'addendum' in a title

> (?!), I quite enjoyed it. And I'm intrigued by 'The Venus Project.' (Well

> mainly the part about self-replicating machines doing all the work I

> suppose

)

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> www.thevenusproject.com

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> They really need someone to proof-read their manifesto though, for a bunch

> of people espousing science over everything else, they can't write good.

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> And it so should have been called Zeitgeist II: Zeit Geister.

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