[kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American Right

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Sorry for the pointless post, but you've got it in one, mate. Bang-on.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: 18 March 2008 12:07
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American Right


At 04:16 AM 3/18/2008, you wrote:


fwiw, and lets face(book) it its not a lot, the latest fad is always
about exploitation somewhere and if we are naive enough to shut our
eyes then you get what you deserve. I dont need an article in any
newspaper to tell me that facebook is a pile of shit, perpetuating the
myth that there is a better way of life through their product.


Fad's do suck.

However, there is nothing wrong with a social networking site.
One of my first cousins got married last year and moved to South Africa.
Being that I don't have thousands of dollars lying around to fly out there I
keep in touch with her via Facebook. She recently had a child and the family
members where all able to see the photos, pass along messages and so on
and so forth. Facebook is a TOOL and can be used for good.

The same goes for Myspace where countless of artists and folks are able to
connect with people and promote their music/work/art that without it they would
never have an audience. How about the mentioning of Ravens passing RIP on myspace?
I'm sure many people found out about it because of the postings and tributes there.
If people waste their lives on it, not my issue. It has it's benefits and is a great tool. 
Just like alcohol, a bit of it is good, taken to excess it will fuck you up and make you an 
alcoholic. Does that mean that all alcohol must be banned?

When Wikileaks got banned/blocked recently the blogosphere went nuts. Facebook had a lot to
do with the spreading of the information about it. The Internet is all about free flow of communication.
It's something that the Author seems to fail to relate too. 

With the recent events going on in Tibet it was Youtube that made the video's widely available. 

I have friends that I hang out with and people at the local pub that I know. However, there are many ppl. that 
I've come across on the Internet that are marvelous. Some I've met i real life, some not yet. If not for IRC and 
other sites I never would have met them.

Tom also penned this article about Email's recently. 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/mar/07/comment.comment

Will you stop using the KJ mailing list now? He seems to be at a disconnect with the Internet
and unable to grasp it's ideas. He moans about SPAM. I use Spam filters. He talks about working
things out with phonecalls. What happens when it's long distance and costs you a shitload of money?
He is out of touch and has never learned how to use and cope with the tools out there. 
It's not the fault of technology, it's User Error.



its not that we are entitled to our own opinion, its the fact that the
opinion isnt worth a flying fuck especially as opinion is in itself a
twisted view of what actually is. It may be good that an article be
there to alert people to the consequences of their actions but it is
blatently obvious that 'we' feel so impotent that we need to look at
being part of a community and have some f(r)iends. How can Tibet be
free while we are ourselves unable to understand it is the soul of the
world and we sold our soul for the facebook ideal.


Well that is your opinion and according to your own statement it might
not be worth anything. That's not for me to decide. I can only agree or 
disagree. If he wanted to go on about the extreme dependency of individuals
on a website, I can relate to that. However going into who founded it, what they own
what they believe is all utter crap. I assure you that any product you use can be traced
to some sort of "evil bogeyman". 

Who is this "we" that you are talking about ? You? I think not. Me? I don't think so either.
It is the same old fad chasing mind numbed individuals who chase everything else. If he
wanted the article to have any meritorious value he'd have done far better sticking to the
point that a bunch of sheeple out there and glued to it and need to take a fucking break.

To go on and rant like a raving lunatic about the owners, their beliefs and money, 9/11, CIA,
right wing conspiracies etc... Well... ppl. will just view it as a rant and never give it a second thought.

If you go to the Guardian you'll see the following correction.
"The following correction was printed in the Guardian's Corrections
 and clarifications column, Wednesday January 16 2008

The US intelligence community's enthusiasm for hi-tech innovation after 9/11 and the creation 
of In-Q-Tel, its venture capital fund, in 1999 were anachronistically linked in the article below. 
Since 9/11 happened in 2001 it could not have led to the setting up of In-Q-Tel two years earlier."

Ahhhhh, so he WAS wrong with something that he pulled out of his ass. He was merely so obsessed
with the weaving of his global conspiracy that he grabbed at whatever he can to try and turn it into some
evil hoopla. This is not a typo. This is called Fact Checking. If he weren't so quick to pull the trigger
he probably would have seen that. As I've stated before, when the ranting and raving begins any merit that
may be had will be lost, common sense goes out the window and as you so aptly put it, hot air rises.

(I can't believe that I missed that to begin with. Well actually, I can)


When you delve into the collective "we", well kindly keep my out of it. If you believe it then say "I". As
many crappers that are out there, there are many decent folk. I don't paint the world with a broad
brush stroke as easy as that may be.



What i like about Bracket Press is that they dont do myspace, i know
that as its often printed on their paper. An independent printers, i
have several publications that come on all sorts of disguises. This is
opinion at its best, they are actually fucking doing something, not
blowing off like a fart under the covers. cheque them out. However it
doesnt come with a three year warranty and ten friends.


Did they tell you that there is no warranty simply because people
who buy them keep them on shelves for their lovely craftsmanship.
They rarely open the book. :) (sorry, couldn't resist!) However I will
check them out when I have a chance to do so.



now.... ice or water....sorry, out of coca cola


No lemon and mint?

Ahhh, came across this... at  http://idler.co.uk/

-------------------------------
Tom at Tapeley

Tom Hodgkinson is giving a talk at Tapeley Park in North Devon as the guest of North 
Devon Active Youth. It's one of their Reel Indi film nights, and they are showing The End 
of Suburbia: Oil Depletion and the Collapse of the American Dream, Gregory Greene's 
2004 movie on peak oil. Sponsored by Marshford Organics. www.myspace.com/northdevonactiveyouth

Wednesday 6 February, Tapeley Park, Nr Instow, North Devon.
7pm, £2 suggested donation
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Ironic ehhh?

Cheers,
Me



On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:28 AM, The Exorcist
<killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:

>

>  Or maybe you're what one of my clients likes to call me.

>  A contrarian. :)

>

>  Some of the people I work with/for have VERY different political viewpoints

> than I do.

>  We discuss it here and there. Sometimes we agree on certain points, many

> other times not.

>  However we've always understood that each is entitled to their own opinion.

> There isn't

>  much more to it.

>

>  When an entire collective agrees on one thing and there is no dissent, lord

> (or greater deity

>  of your choosing if any) have mercy on us all.

>

>  :)

>

>  Cheers,

>  Me

>

>

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