[kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

[Alexander Smith]

Not to sound stuffy and prudish, but isn't he getting a bit old to  
still be dressing up like that? Sheesh.

Alex in NYC



On Mar 4, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Arachne wrote:


> Right :)

> "Fat Bob"? nooo, it's just the make-up: http://hittmanka.fotosik.pl/albumy/384418.html

>

>

>

> 2008/3/1, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>:

> I bet it's not only Porl with the moobies...

>

> Yeah, Fat Bobs playing on that & 'A Hundred Years' offa the 'Cure in  

> Orange' gig is fucking amazing. Well worth a listen. One of the best  

> & most underrated guitarists from the post-punk era. I'd say ;)

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn

> Sent: 29 February 2008 23:18

> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

> Was wondering when you were gonna pipe up, I know you love A Forest… 

> I saw it live last year and man…it was great.

>

>

> The track to me could be nothing but evocative of A Forest…that'd be  

> my call. Even the tones & layering…

>

>

> Bob's look…no comment, other than Freddie Mercury said when he  

> dropped the make-up and Zara Rhodes dresses and shit…it's something  

> that you do to express yourself when you're young, and that's cool  

> because it's an honest expression, but you start to look ridiculous  

> if you do it when you're older J

>

>

> Especially if you've put on a bit of weight.

>

>

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ] On Behalf Of ade

> Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2008 11:19 a.m.

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

>

> It *is* a very good homage. Maybe they're hoping no one will notice ;)

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ]On Behalf Of Termite

> Sent: 29 February 2008 22:11

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

> Then I beg to differ, it is clear that Transmission have either  

> directly sampled the start of the FULL     version of A Forest as  

> off Seventeen Seconds and added echo/reverb into the mix, or  

> blatantly used the same notes with a similar sound, as Nirvana did  

> with Come as You Are (Although they did try to disguise it by  

> changing the tempo, whereas Transmission haven't.)

>

>

> Regardless of them calling the track "Glade" doesn't make any  

> difference, If Robert Smith was aware of this song and the lack of  

> credits I think that The Cure would have a valid case to sue should  

> they wish too.  Use someone elses sound then you should  

> credit....look at the whole mess with Bittersweet Symphony and The  

> Verve/Rolling Stones for example.

>

>

> Anyone elses thoughts on it?  Its a fantastic homage regardless, but  

> not crediting it I think its risky grounds.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Alexander Smith

>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>

> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:36 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

>

>

> Don't punk out of your argument just because you're afraid of a  

> little dissent. This is a discussion forum, not a bully pulpit.  

> Everyone's allowed their say. But each should also be prepared for  

> others to beg to differ.

>

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

>

> On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Termite wrote:

>

>

>

>

> And actually it is a Come As You Are/Eighties discrepancy, the  

> keyboards at the beginning are identical to A Forest, same notes,  

> same sound, same tempo even.

>

>

> Massive Attack acknowledged their sample of 10:15 Saturday Night on  

> Mezzanine, no reason why Transmission couldn't have done the same  

> same and credited Smith/Tolhurst/Gallup in the sleeve notes!

>

>

> Ok back to my cave I guess better than to voice opinion on this  

> forum.....

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Alexander Smith

>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>

> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:26 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

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>

>

> I'm just suggesting that calling it a "rip off" is a bit crass and  

> alarmist. I doubt the Cure are particularly bothered about whether  

> the track is credited to them or not.  I mean, the damn track is  

> called "Glade" (i.e. an open space in a forrest). It's clearly a  

> reference and/or homage to the Cure track.

>

>

> This isn't a "Come As You Are"/"Eighties" sort of discrepancy at all.

>

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Feb 29, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Termite wrote:

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>

>

>

> I love Transmissions album, and I love The Cure too, if it was a  

> homage then why not state so?  They were not trying to convince  

> anyone that the track WASNT their own either?!?!, so maybe if you  

> don't like to chose the words "rip off" then its "unreported homage"

>

>

> Has either Big Paul or Youth ever throughout any interviews stated  

> they are Cure fans?

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Alexander Smith

>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>

> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:36 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

>

>

> I wouldn't call it a "rip off" so much as an obvious homage. There's  

> NO MISSING that it's based on "A Forrest." A rip-off would imply  

> that they were trying to convince people that the track was their own.

>

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

>

> On Feb 29, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Termite wrote:

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>

>

>

> Tried listening to anything by Transmission?  That is Youth and Big  

> Paul, sounds like a more ambient version of The Cure especially  

> songs like Star Stella and Glade (A very close Cure's A forest  

> instrumental rip off)

>

> ----- Original Message -----

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> To: gathering at misera.net

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> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:09 PM

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> Subject: [kj] Youth........................

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>

>

>   Anyone know what kind of music he has been making recently?

> Is he still into Goan trance and techno and all that or has his  

> tastes changed /

> I was wondering what direction the new impending KJ album will take  

> because the Yyouth influence on the Pandemonium Album is all to  

> apparent

>

> Sounds like? How many syllables? Guess and win prizes with Search  

> Charades!

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