[kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

Alexander Smith vassifer at earthlink.net
Tue Mar 4 17:07:31 EST 2008


Not to sound stuffy and prudish, but isn't he getting a bit old to
still be dressing up like that? Sheesh.

Alex in NYC



On Mar 4, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Arachne wrote:


> Right :)

> "Fat Bob"? nooo, it's just the make-up: http://hittmanka.fotosik.pl/albumy/384418.html

>

>

>

> 2008/3/1, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>:

> I bet it's not only Porl with the moobies...

>

> Yeah, Fat Bobs playing on that & 'A Hundred Years' offa the 'Cure in

> Orange' gig is fucking amazing. Well worth a listen. One of the best

> & most underrated guitarists from the post-punk era. I'd say ;)

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

> ]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn

> Sent: 29 February 2008 23:18

> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

> Was wondering when you were gonna pipe up, I know you love A Forest…

> I saw it live last year and man…it was great.

>

>

> The track to me could be nothing but evocative of A Forest…that'd be

> my call. Even the tones & layering…

>

>

> Bob's look…no comment, other than Freddie Mercury said when he

> dropped the make-up and Zara Rhodes dresses and shit…it's something

> that you do to express yourself when you're young, and that's cool

> because it's an honest expression, but you start to look ridiculous

> if you do it when you're older J

>

>

> Especially if you've put on a bit of weight.

>

>

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

> ] On Behalf Of ade

> Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2008 11:19 a.m.

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

>

> It *is* a very good homage. Maybe they're hoping no one will notice ;)

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

> ]On Behalf Of Termite

> Sent: 29 February 2008 22:11

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

> Then I beg to differ, it is clear that Transmission have either

> directly sampled the start of the FULL version of A Forest as

> off Seventeen Seconds and added echo/reverb into the mix, or

> blatantly used the same notes with a similar sound, as Nirvana did

> with Come as You Are (Although they did try to disguise it by

> changing the tempo, whereas Transmission haven't.)

>

>

> Regardless of them calling the track "Glade" doesn't make any

> difference, If Robert Smith was aware of this song and the lack of

> credits I think that The Cure would have a valid case to sue should

> they wish too. Use someone elses sound then you should

> credit....look at the whole mess with Bittersweet Symphony and The

> Verve/Rolling Stones for example.

>

>

> Anyone elses thoughts on it? Its a fantastic homage regardless, but

> not crediting it I think its risky grounds.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Alexander Smith

>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>

> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:36 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

>

>

> Don't punk out of your argument just because you're afraid of a

> little dissent. This is a discussion forum, not a bully pulpit.

> Everyone's allowed their say. But each should also be prepared for

> others to beg to differ.

>

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

>

> On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Termite wrote:

>

>

>

>

> And actually it is a Come As You Are/Eighties discrepancy, the

> keyboards at the beginning are identical to A Forest, same notes,

> same sound, same tempo even.

>

>

> Massive Attack acknowledged their sample of 10:15 Saturday Night on

> Mezzanine, no reason why Transmission couldn't have done the same

> same and credited Smith/Tolhurst/Gallup in the sleeve notes!

>

>

> Ok back to my cave I guess better than to voice opinion on this

> forum.....

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Alexander Smith

>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>

> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:26 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

>

>

>

> I'm just suggesting that calling it a "rip off" is a bit crass and

> alarmist. I doubt the Cure are particularly bothered about whether

> the track is credited to them or not. I mean, the damn track is

> called "Glade" (i.e. an open space in a forrest). It's clearly a

> reference and/or homage to the Cure track.

>

>

> This isn't a "Come As You Are"/"Eighties" sort of discrepancy at all.

>

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Feb 29, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Termite wrote:

>

>

>

>

> I love Transmissions album, and I love The Cure too, if it was a

> homage then why not state so? They were not trying to convince

> anyone that the track WASNT their own either?!?!, so maybe if you

> don't like to chose the words "rip off" then its "unreported homage"

>

>

> Has either Big Paul or Youth ever throughout any interviews stated

> they are Cure fans?

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: Alexander Smith

>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>

> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:36 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

>

>

> I wouldn't call it a "rip off" so much as an obvious homage. There's

> NO MISSING that it's based on "A Forrest." A rip-off would imply

> that they were trying to convince people that the track was their own.

>

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

>

> On Feb 29, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Termite wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Tried listening to anything by Transmission? That is Youth and Big

> Paul, sounds like a more ambient version of The Cure especially

> songs like Star Stella and Glade (A very close Cure's A forest

> instrumental rip off)

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> From: fluke fluke

>

> To: gathering at misera.net

>

> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:09 PM

>

> Subject: [kj] Youth........................

>

>

>

> Anyone know what kind of music he has been making recently?

> Is he still into Goan trance and techno and all that or has his

> tastes changed /

> I was wondering what direction the new impending KJ album will take

> because the Yyouth influence on the Pandemonium Album is all to

> apparent

>

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