[kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

[Arachne]

Right :)
"Fat Bob"? nooo, it's just the make-up:
http://hittmanka.fotosik.pl/albumy/384418.html



2008/3/1, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>:

>

>  I bet it's not only Porl with the moobies...

>

> Yeah, Fat Bobs playing on that & 'A Hundred Years' offa the 'Cure in

> Orange' gig is fucking amazing. Well worth a listen. One of the best & most

> underrated guitarists from the post-punk era. I'd say ;)

>

> -----Original Message-----

> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *Brendan Quinn

> *Sent:* 29 February 2008 23:18

> *To:* 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

>  Was wondering when you were gonna pipe up, I know you love A Forest…I saw

> it live last year and man…it was great.

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> The track to me could be nothing but evocative of A Forest…that'd be my

> call. Even the tones & layering…

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>

>

> Bob's look…no comment, other than Freddie Mercury said when he dropped the

> make-up and Zara Rhodes dresses and shit…it's something that you do to

> express yourself when you're young, and that's cool because it's an honest

> expression, but you start to look ridiculous if you do it when you're older

> J

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> Especially if you've put on a bit of weight.

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> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *ade

> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 March 2008 11:19 a.m.

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

>

>

> It *is* a very good homage. Maybe they're hoping no one will notice ;)

>

> -----Original Message-----

> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *Termite

> *Sent:* 29 February 2008 22:11

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

> Then I beg to differ, it is clear that Transmission have either directly

> sampled the start of the FULL version of A Forest as off Seventeen Seconds

> and added echo/reverb into the mix, or blatantly used the same notes with a

> similar sound, as Nirvana did with Come as You Are (Although they did try to

> disguise it by changing the tempo, whereas Transmission haven't.)

>

>

>

> Regardless of them calling the track "Glade" doesn't make any difference,

> If Robert Smith was aware of this song and the lack of credits I think that

> The Cure would have a valid case to sue should they wish too.  Use someone

> elses sound then you should credit....look at the whole mess with

> Bittersweet Symphony and The Verve/Rolling Stones for example.

>

>

>

> Anyone elses thoughts on it?  Its a fantastic homage regardless, but not

> crediting it I think its risky grounds.

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>  ----- Original Message -----

>

> *From:* Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>

> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)<gathering at misera.net>

>

> *Sent:* Friday, February 29, 2008 4:36 PM

>

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Youth........................

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>

>

> Don't punk out of your argument just because you're afraid of a little

> dissent. This is a discussion forum, not a bully pulpit. Everyone's allowed

> their say. But each should also be prepared for others to beg to differ.

>

>

>

> Alex in NYC

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> On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Termite wrote:

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>

>  And actually it is a Come As You Are/Eighties discrepancy, the keyboards

> at the beginning are identical to A Forest, same notes, same sound, same

> tempo even.

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>

>

> Massive Attack acknowledged their sample of 10:15 Saturday Night on

> Mezzanine, no reason why Transmission couldn't have done the same same and

> credited Smith/Tolhurst/Gallup in the sleeve notes!

>

>

>

> Ok back to my cave I guess better than to voice opinion on this forum.....

>

>

>

>  ----- Original Message -----

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> *From:* Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

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> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)<gathering at misera.net>

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> *Sent:* Friday, February 29, 2008 3:26 PM

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> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Youth........................

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> I'm just suggesting that calling it a "rip off" is a bit crass and

> alarmist. I doubt the Cure are particularly bothered about whether the track

> is credited to them or not.  I mean, the damn track is called "Glade" (i.e.

> an open space in a forrest). It's clearly a reference and/or homage to the

> Cure track.

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>

>

> This isn't a "Come As You Are"/"Eighties" sort of discrepancy at all.

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>

> Alex in NYC

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>

> On Feb 29, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Termite wrote:

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>  I love Transmissions album, and I love The Cure too, if it was a homage

> then why not state so?  They were not trying to convince anyone that the

> track WASNT their own either?!?!, so maybe if you don't like to chose the

> words "rip off" then its "unreported homage"

>

>

>

> Has either Big Paul or Youth ever throughout any interviews stated they

> are Cure fans?

>

>  ----- Original Message -----

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> *From:* Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

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> *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)<gathering at misera.net>

>

> *Sent:* Friday, February 29, 2008 2:36 PM

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> *Subject:* Re: [kj] Youth........................

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>

>

> I wouldn't call it a "rip off" so much as an obvious homage. There's NO

> MISSING that it's based on "A Forrest." A rip-off would imply that they were

> trying to convince people that the track was their own.

>

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>

> Alex in NYC

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> On Feb 29, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Termite wrote:

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>  Tried listening to anything by Transmission?  That is Youth and Big Paul,

> sounds like a more ambient version of The Cure especially songs like Star

> Stella and Glade (A very close Cure's A forest instrumental rip off)

>

>  ----- Original Message -----

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> *From:* fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk>

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> *To:* gathering at misera.net

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> *Sent:* Friday, February 29, 2008 2:09 PM

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> *Subject:* [kj] Youth........................

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>

>   Anyone know what kind of music he has been making recently?

> Is he still into Goan trance and techno and all that or has his tastes

> changed /

> I was wondering what direction the new impending KJ album will take

> because the Yyouth influence on the Pandemonium Album is all to apparent

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