[kj] Wikipedia entry on Jaz Coleman

[Brendan Quinn]

I've read the interview, would take endless Irrational Domaining to find it
again, I'll do it next time I'm coming down or couch-locked and let you
know...but I have seen it :) I got the impression he was taking the mickey a
bit, but coulda been wrong.

Agree with you about IQ...it's also easier to have a high IQ when you're
young because IQ is derived by comparing you vs a subset of your peers in
age group, and it's easier and more influential to have either a
developmental gap at that age, or have started school x months later due to
birth date etc.

PS: You CAN get a free and easy IQ test, just try the local Scientologists
;)


-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
Sent: Saturday, 28 June 2008 3:41 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Wikipedia entry on Jaz Coleman

Well, IQ tests are flawed for a number of reasons. The definitive book 
on the subject is Stephen Jay Gould's _The Mismeasure of Man_, which 
details the test's sordid history as well as well how, sordid history or 
not, it's impossible to accurately scientifically measure, much less 
represent in a unilinear numerical format, the thing people call 
"intelligence."

About changing the Wikipedia entry, it shouldn't be changed if Jaz does 
indeed claim he has an IQ of 190. He can claim stuff that isn't true. 
But I would liek to see a citation maybe of an interview where he does, 
in fact, claim that.

I think the only way someone could get an IQ of 190 is if they took a 
dumb online quiz or got a hokey book from a bookstore that let you take 
tests and measure your own, um, "IQ." Real IQ tests take hours, are 
given in clinical conditions, administered by folks with either PhDs 
(psychologists) or MDs, and generally only when someone is a minor and 
is having school truancy/attendance/performance problems, or when one is 
having mental problems,e tc.

You don't just walk into a doctor's office and announce, "Hey! I'd like 
an IQ test! Someone give me one!" It doesn't work like that.

-Oliver


folk devil wrote:

> A flaw in IQ testing is that it is based in knowledge systems.  Social 

> and cultural conditions can in essence affect the experience needed to 

> gain certain knowledge.

>  

> "The /Bell Curve/ is a simple treatise of conservative ideology, like 

> Miller's review, and in its biased treatment of data its purpose is 

> revealed as simple advocacy of a particular position.  Nothing new 

> about that.  The problem is that Herrnstein and Murray and those who 

> blindly accept their data in the absence of scientific skepticism, 

> misuse or misunderstand science to further their agenda.  There may be 

> inherited group differences in intelligence. 

> However, Herrnstein and Murray have failed to provide adequate 

> refutation of the alternative hypotheses."

>  

>  http://goinside.com/98/3/postmod.html

>

>


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