[kj] Congrats Obama

[Karen Weil]

Hi, Milinda and ade:

Rather than assassinating Mugabe, he should be arrested on war crimes and corruption, and put on trial. He has single-handidly destroyed a once-prosperous and vital nation. 
(yeah, I know that will never happen, but it would be the civilized and truly just thing to do.)
Unfortunately, other African countries, still bitter about how the West has used them, will not do the right thing and force that kleptocratic scumbag out of office. South Africa's leader is especially guilty in this. 
Let's keep the beleagured Zimbabweans in our hearts, and pray for positive change!

k.w.

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  From: ade 
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  Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:05 AM
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  It would be good to see the fucker sniped.
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    From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of melinda grant
    Sent: 05 June 2008 14:02
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    your right karen,obviously zimbabwe has no oil,but mugwabwa needs to be taken out reguardless,the man has no morals,no respect for his own people and i fear,no brian either ;/ he is exstremely dangerious and its overdue,i would like to know why he has not been assasinated by now,afterall,he appears to be a mini hitler figure minus the huge following that hilter had in the past,however mugwabwa is just as lethal all around in my eyes!
     
    milinda
     
    milinda




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      From: karen.weil at sddt.com
      To: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk; gathering at misera.net
      Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:18 -0700
      Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


      Unfortunately, Mik, but Zimbabwe has no oil. And that would be the only reason the current administration would get involved. 

      k.w.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Mik Raven 
        To: gathering at misera.net 
        Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:11 PM
        Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


              
             

              Is it just me, or does eveyone forget how Saddam was a genosidal despot who was quite happy to massacre his own people? Should the world sit back and let genoside go unpunished? I know there are other leaders round the world just as bad, and yes, you can use the ol argument, but you have to start somewhere. Robert Mugwabwa next? lol.
             




        On Wed Jun 4 22:24 , 'Karen Weil' <karen.weil at sddt.com> sent:


          You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 
          started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...

          k.w.
          San Diego
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
          To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
          <gathering at misera.net>
          Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
          Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


          > Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 
          > Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 
          > warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 
          > unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 
          > Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.
          >
          > Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 
          > secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 
          > restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 
          > asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 
          > WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 
          > his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 
          > English, and newspaper printed them.
          >
          > People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 
          > bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 
          > were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 
          > for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 
          > caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 
          > these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 
          > Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 
          > suppressed.
          >
          > Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 
          > Saddam doing it? What an evil man.
          >
          > -Oliver
          >
          > ade wrote:
          >> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,
          >> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to
          >> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 
          >> Whereas
          >> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist
          >> nutfucks. We've trained them up...
          >>
          >>
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