[kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)

Devacor at aol.com Devacor at aol.com
Wed Jun 4 23:14:47 EDT 2008




In a message dated 6/4/2008 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:


I am undecided on the whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing
that does seem strange is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both
apparently coincided with drills for those exact same scenarios.

Also a bit strange that WTC7 collapsed, right down the middle when it
didn't even take a hit.

I did read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the
one about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy
the steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,
the steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural deformation,
not actual destruction.


As for the Pentagon hit. I was under the impression these "guys" just half
ass flew this plane and plopped it down on top of the pentagon- come to find
out, whatever hit the pentagon hit the very front of it going top speed and
parallel to the ground flying parallel just a few feet off the ground. I live
maybe 20 mins from the Pentagon and know the terrain pretty well- there isnt
anyone I know who lives here and knows how the pent actually got hit who
believes that a plane of that size got parallel to the ground full speed and hit
it like it did- I know someone who worked at the pentagon then and someone
who works right next to it and the def dont believe it. Not even with a highly
trained pilot what to speak of the hack "hijackers" who flew it- and if so,
why would anyone go about it like that, where that is beyond high risk flying
at top speed a few feet off the ground when you could much easier fly down on
it at an angle towards the middle of it. Also whatever hit it proceeded to
punch very neat tight holes into the inner rings which is tons of concrete and
steel..there wasn't any huge explosion or big initial mess.
Now although no one believes it, no one also really wants to take it to the
next step and say "well then what was it and why"? - That's a whole other
can of worms.
Also first accounts of sightings (calls in) of whatever hit the pentagon
was that a small ,sleek couple passenger jet flying very low to the ground at a
very high speed was heading in that direction.
I knew of the Pentagon inconsistencies initially- it wasn't until later
that I heard of the WTC issues and inconsistencies (most people only hear about
the WTC part of it). The more common things mentioned (jet fuel, puffs of
smoke etc) are really just one part of it- those could go either way if you
really looked at it- if those were the only things a little fishy then it could
be a toss up, but there is much more to it then that (red flag wise)- The WTC7
of course very much is but there is much more then even that.
I personally would have thought that 9/11 people were over reacting and
looking into things that weren't there if I didn't look into it some myself. In
order to really do so you have to look into it more then what "Penn and
Teller" have to say and also get past our own cognitive dissonance.
I've known totally "nonbelievers" who went on to read the accounts and saw
the docs and totally changed their minds...never met a non believer who went
and did all of that and still remained a non believer.
I definitely am not one who wants to or has to believe my government has
hidden agendas and/or is corrupt. It doesn't do me any good to have that be the
fact if it is the case...
Though if something smells like a rat right in front of my face, I cant
discount it just because it doesn't do me any good or not fit into my present
belief system...



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