[kj] Congrats Obama

[Karen Weil]

You're spot on in your historic analysis, B. Oliver. Don't even get me 
started on the U.S. history with Saddam ...

k.w.
San Diego
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama



> Yeah, Saddam was a thug, but a secular thug, not a religious zealot or 

> Jihadist. he likened himself more to Stalin than to any sort of holy 

> warrior, and thrugh his heavy hand prevented what the US invasion 

> unleashed. In fact, most will probably remember Saddam's right-hand man 

> Tariq Aziz was a Catholic, not even a Muslim.

>

> Bin laden and Saddam were at sword points. Bin Laden wanted the ungodly 

> secular regime of Saddam destroyed so that he and his zealots could 

> restore the historic Islamic caliphate to the country. Everyone always 

> asked "Why did bin laden attack the US? What does he want/ WHAT DOES HE 

> WANT?" When bn Laden qute clearly announced in message after message what 

> his demands were. These were and are readily available, translated into 

> English, and newspaper printed them.

>

> People in the US apparently did read them, because they preferred to think 

> bin Laden jst "hated freedom" or something. In fact, bin Laden's 3 demands 

> were 1) removal of US bases from Saudi Arabia [which he got, so that's one 

> for Osama] 2) end of US support for Israel, and 3) restoration of Islamic 

> caliphate to its historic place in Baghdad. Bin Laden has one out of 3 of 

> these already, and he's closer to getting the 3rd one now than he was when 

> Hussein kept bin Laden's group, as well as the Kurds and others, 

> suppressed.

>

> Now that Turkey, a US ally, is suppressing the Kurds, it's okay. But 

> Saddam doing it? What an evil man.

>

> -Oliver

>

> ade wrote:

>> You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,

>> etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to

>> being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising. 

>> Whereas

>> the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist

>> nutfucks. We've trained them up...

>>

>>

>

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