[kj] Congrats Obama

[ade]

Why on earth are you likening the idea that the elected person should be the best person for the
job (not a point-making exercise on a socio-political level) to going into Iraq? EVERYONE could
see that was fucked.
 
It *won't* be a new dawn & people will be VERY disappointed in Obama if he gets in & just happens
to be like the rest of 'em (politicians), which of course, he will be.
 
So YAY! Let's vote for the black dude to make a point! YAY!!! It'll make us feel warm inside... for
a while... all it's going to prove is that skin colour means fuck all, to those that care to listen...

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen Weil
Sent: 04 June 2008 18:43
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Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama


Really? Isn't that essentially what we're doing in Iraq? Babysitting? 
And I hate to break this to you, but pre-emptive wars/occupations are NOT in the public's best interest!
 
k.w.
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: The Exorcist <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>  
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Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama

YAY. WOOOHOO! Join the rest of the world be like everyone else.
Gimme a break. The US should do what's in its best interest for its people.
It's not a fucking popularity contest to get "the world" to love you. 
The Gov't is here to protect, secure and defend. Not baby sit.



At 11:24 PM 6/3/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:


It's definitely always a strategic matter of voting for the lesser. With Obama the US has a chance to join the rest of the industrialized world and have universal health coverage. McCain wants to privatize it EVEN MORE than it is. Also, the two do have substantial differences over Iraq.

Australia just pulled out of Iraq a couple of days ago.

The US hangs on - just like it hangs on to stuff like the death penalty, privatized for-profit health coverage that leaves 47 million uninsured, allowing private bounty hunters to collect on bail (I recently learned this was another unique, Wild West-style Americanism that few other countries utilize -- in the US any yahoo can go take a class for several weeks and then get certified to become a bounty hunter and legally enter peoples' homes, stun them, apprehend them, take them into prison if they miss bail payments).

Also, I think with Obama at the masthead the world might like the US an iota better than McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time last year. Int'l goodwill would bode well for terrorist type threats, as in making them less likely.

I'll be voting for Obama, but I'll be holding my nose, sure. Even McCain would be better than Bush, but Obama would actually be several shades even better than that.

-Oliver



T.B. wrote:


IMO, all three (well, now two) major candidates (Clinton, Obama and McCain) are equally terrible choices, each with plenty of negatives and few positives.  In Obama's case, he's basically a snake oil salesman peddling "change" to plenty of po-faced wide eyed people but he really has little substance behind his rhetoric.





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