[kj] School daze

[Karen Weil]

Hi, Brendan:

Great points; I'm inclined with you. For instance, my 5-year-old cousin had 
a graduation ceremony from kindergarten! While I can understand the 
acknowledgement, I find it a bit odd.
(Perhaps it's sour grapes on my part, as there were certainly no "graduation 
ceremonies" when I was in grade school!)

k.w.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims



> People, even kids, know when they are being patronised. Was reading an

> article about a study that showed that kids who are regularly lauded for

> 'effort' and 'trying hard', all that shit, well basically it has a

> negative effect. Kids KNOW that performance and achievement is important,

> all that smiley glad-hands treatment, giving kids certificates for turning

> up to school twice in a row on time or not drooling over themselves

> today...it's crap, and we're gonna end up breeding a population of

> hapless, entitled cretins.

>

> I suppose often it's got the right intentions behind it, but we all know

> the saying about the road to hell. Or was that an AC/DC song...?

>

> As a bit of a slow learner and awkward kid at school, what I actually

> appreciated was some one-on-on with a patient teacher who took the time to

> go through what I was having difficulty with, in a way tailored to how I

> learned, away from the spotlight of other kids who were already good at

> it. My reward was the achievement, then the good press from the teacher or

> family or peers was genuine.

>

>> Mr. Okereke is also gay; either stuff.co.nz and Lydon's thuggish

>> "associates" are unaware of this (I am not aware of Mr Okereke's uniform

>> of

>> choice being a glittery spandex catsuit and spaceman's helmet) or they 

>> had

>> to concede that his being black was merely a more apparent target.

>>

>> I have also met many people who have attempted to take advantage of what

>> their behaviour implies they regard as a stigma; I'm equal opportunities,

>> me

>> - I'll be offensive to anyone who's offensive, regardless of their

>> hangups.

>> Did a lot of work with mentally & physically handicapped a few years back

>> -

>> they actively encouraged me to call them spackas (incidentally, great use

>> of

>> "spacka" in "Control", I thought). I concluded they were generally tired

>> of

>> the opposite treatment - the patronising deference.

>>

>> Darren

>> Hungerford, UK

>>

>> NB My oldest friend, and recently my best man, is a Gaylord, so there's 

>> no

>> agenda here.

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> On

>> Behalf Of ade

>> Sent: 22 July 2008 12:33

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims

>> Importance: High

>>

>> Years ago, my asian/muslim mate (Moh) was recounting to me the time his

>> car

>> overheated & he was fucking about under the bonnet, trying to sort it 

>> out.

>> He reminisced about how he went to a nearby shop to get some help & was

>> embarrassed 'cos his hands were covered in oil & were black from it. It

>> was

>> just a conversation about car woes.

>>

>> At this point my black friend jumped in & started challenging seriously 

>> as

>> to "What's wrong with having black hands?"

>>

>> It occurred to me & Moh that the prick was nothing more than a race-card

>> playing wanker, of which there are MANY. You know, those people that my

>> lefty friends don't believe exist.

>>

>> Sounds a bit like this story too, though I admit my bias in favour of

>> Lydon.

>> Nevertheless, I can imagine his thicko mates behaving in typical grunt

>> fashion, but was that John? We shall see...

>>

>>

>> ade.

>>

>> PS. I LOVE DOUBLE-STANDARDS, OF COURSE THEY DON'T HARM SOCIETY & BREED

>> RESENTMENT - THAT'S FOR RACISTS. Whatever 'racist' means these days.

>> INJUSTICE FOR ALL!!!!!

>>

>>

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