[kj] OT: Pat Condell

[The Exorcist]

Someone recently pointed me to this fellow. I am slowly going through 
his articles.
Though I don't agree with everything he says, he makes some valid 
points. I suggest
that in your free time you read some of his stuff. It's an enjoyable 
read regardless of ones
views.

The following articles (from what I've read so far) deal with 
affirmative action, reparations
and all that stuff.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/COL2.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Opportunity.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Reparations.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Legos.shtml

Cheers,
Me

At 08:41 PM 7/22/2008, folk devil wrote:

>I remember the UK being set up differently, on the premise that 

>plans such as affirmative action can cause inverse discrimination, 

>to which I agree. All I see it do is perpetuate marginalization, 

>making some people be perceived as inferior to others. To me it's 

>message can still say whites are in charge, but we will allow you 

>this within our hierarchy. If everyone is equal, and are citizens of 

>a nation, there should not be a need for 'special treatment'. It 

>pussyfoots around the issues, never really having to deal with them.

>

>

>

>

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>Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:02:21 +0100

>From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Pat Condell

>

>Oh of course we have that bullshit over here - we've had it for 

>years folky !!!!!!!!!  Surely you remember?

>It has had its' uses, but is causing more resentment now. Instead of 

>rolling-off & having less of a say

>over how things are done over the years (after a fair amount of 

>normalisation has been reached), the

>whole racial equalities lot continue to grab as much power as 

>possible. Trevor fucking Phillips, head

>of this quango now wants to take on inequality of all kinds. Both 

>vertical, as well as horizontal, he said,

>lol!

>

>What a lovely thought, but is it in any way workable? Is it fuck. 

>Sounds more like a quango that

>continues to grow.

>

>Back to 'affirmative action', it's great for building self-respect 

>in token non-white people. Token, as in

>"the govt is forcing us to take on a certain percentage of each race 

>other than whitey, so let's just

>employ people simply because of the environmental/geographical 

>differences that make someones'

>skin a different colour.."

>

>"before I couldn't get a job, now I have a job, but I think it's 

>only because I'm black."

>

>There are very few people in the media who would even talk about 

>playing the race card, let alone

>anything be done about it. I watched Nirpal Dhaliwal front a 

>channel4 programme called, oddly enough,

>'Playing the race card', at the end of which, he was astounded at 

>just how much of it goes on. Funny,

>I never saw that programme get repeated ;)  Still, there's some 

>stuff about it here:

>

><http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/R/racedebate/talkingpoint/programmes/racecard1.html>http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/R/racedebate/talkingpoint/programmes/racecard1.html

>

>...down on the right-hand side.

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil

>Sent: 22 July 2008 23:26

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Pat Condell

>

>from wiki:

>

>The term affirmative action describes policies aimed at a 

>historically socio-politically non-dominant group (typically, 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority>minority men or 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women>women of all racial groups) 

>intended to promote its access to 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education>education or 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment>employment. Motivation for 

>affirmative action is a desire to redress effects of actual or 

>perceived, past or current 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination>discrimination that is 

>regarded as 

>unfair.[<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words>who?] 

>It also serves to encourage public institutions such as 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universities>universities, 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospitals>hospitals and 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police>police forces to be more 

>representative of the 

>population<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action#cite_note-0>[1].

>

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

>

>

>I don't believe you can 'enforce' equality.

>And after living in the States for a decade, I have seen that 'race 

>card' played too much..

>

>

>

>

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