[kj] OT: Boycotting the UAE is wrong

[fluke fluke]

Yes, but now you are using an hypothetical occurrence to legitimatise drug possession. No one has been prosecuted for having drug contaminated Dollar bills , so why even bother mentioning it ?. 
    Getting prosecuted for having three poppy seeds is severe, but lets not forget that the person who got found guilty of killing the presenter Jill Dando got convicted for having ONE GRAIN of gunpowder in his pocket , and it has been proven that you dont have to actually touch gunpowder to have this amount on you, and lets not forget that the U.K prosecutes people for writing poems ,( albeit about be-heading people , but its still only a poem)
   Why focus on other Counties prosecution laws , when we have similar ones ?  We agree that his conviction for having three poppy seeds on him is severe , but other Counties have Laws that we don't agree with, but we should respect those laws all the same .
   Why you feel the need to mention people getting prosecuted for having contaminated money...when it hasn't happened , I'll never know.


Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:28:19 -0800From: saulomar1 at yahoo.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycotting the UAE is wrong
An invasion: not at all; regime change: even less.
 
  And by the way, you fail to distinguish between drug trafficking and incidental presence of drugs on a person while travelling. That is gravely, if unwittingly, wrong and dangerous. It exposes innocent persons to being held and processed for crimes they didn't commit.
  
  It seems like a ploy to make a point on my part, but i'll explain:
recently i read that currently, a large majority of (mainly paper) currency - cash - can be positively tested for traces of one or more drugs, and that YOU  or I will be in "possession" and tainted (complicity?) by this cash - and more than once. 
  Is one then guilty of drug traffiking, or corruption of society, or whatever else? Given how often cash circulates, especially in hi-density urban centers, how many people should we find guilty of drug trafficking because coke residue was all over their $20 bill they received as change at the airport gift shop?
 
  And here's the really fun part: where these discoveries are more likely to be made are in the most highly tense of urban settings: airports. And train centers, and other assorted transportation centers or international points of entry, potentially making worse any possible overreactions by local authorities, given the current mood/s on the planet.
That could be you, or me, or someone we care about.
 
  What happened in the UAE seems on the surface to be a stupid, imbecillic political and tabloid-style publicity stunt to somehow benefit the UAE or allies, all the while using innocent people as human pawns in the whole fucking process. 
  THERE'S your crime: in "immoblizing"[-as opposed to mobilising aka trafficking (in this example, taking of hostage)] another person from their own life and world, not some weed on a shoe.    
  C'mon. Weed, on a shoe?
 
 ~~ saul
fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:



Would you be in favour of Western Countries mounting an invasion of the U.A.E and implementing regime change? 
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:36:55 -0800From: saulomar1 at yahoo.comTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycotting the UAE is wrong

  I think your whole statement, tho' proper in a diff' context, is totally missapplied here as a response. 
  If i read correctly the original post, it was about weed stuck to the bottom of a guy's shoe (singular, to boot!) and poppy seeds from a bagel or a roll on another guy - and people's lives are going to shattered and considerably stunted for it. It doesn't seem at all like some "Midnight Express" [the movie] stunt by any means (as it was described). 
 
  To take that and stretch it into intercultural repressive actions is.. i don't even get WHY do that in the first place.

  I say we all stick to the Astroglide sanctions against purchasing any further Petrol.Jelly, give that 6 months with a UN General Assembly recognition, and we review then. 
 
fluke fluke <fluke1 at live.co.uk> wrote:


What right do we have to pressurise other Countries into accepting our decadent ways? Boycotting the U.A.E. is just as extreme and arrogant as the Islamic extremists who chastise the West for allowing Western Women to drive cars . They have no right to dictate to us about how we live our lives, just as we have no right to dictate to them about how they should live there lives.      Adulterers got stoned to death in Iran , rape victims get prosecuted in Saudi and people with mental problems are forced into being suicide bombers in Iraq , yet you seem to feel that the right to take drugs is more important than these issues .    The taking of drugs is illegal in these Countries and the punishment is severe and when you visit these Countries you should respect these laws . It doesn't mater what the amount is that you possess , simply having any amount shows that you are a user of drugs and that is enough to warrant punishment .   He only had a small amount , but he was drug trafficking all the same and in some Counties this carries the death sentence .    Look at your own society and see what problems drugs have caused : Early deaths, mental problems and ravaged bodies amonst other things and then ask yourself why you feel that other Counties that dont have these problems should allow the drug culture to creep in.    Drug usage isn't acceptable in other Counties or Cultures , you have no right to influence other cultures into accepting Western decadent ways > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:58:37 +1300> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> > 11 - Hellheaven.> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On> Behalf Of Mik> Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2008 1:50 p.m.> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> > This is your religion! The Apostles were 11.> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On> Behalf Of ade> Sent: 20 February 2008 00:43> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> > This is what they've done!> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik> Sent: 20 February 2008 00:41> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> > > Sermon never falter> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On> Behalf Of ade> Sent: 20 February 2008 00:35> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> > A liar on the altar...> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik> Sent: 20 February 2008 00:28> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> > > Time to go and listen to Religion by PIL or Armageddon days are here again> by The The> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6wa-qOb8eI> > > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On> Behalf Of ade> Sent: 20 February 2008 00:22> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> > Just a public flogging will do ;)> > Isn't god great!> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik> Sent: 20 February 2008 00:09> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> > > Crucifixion I say! But maybe that's too good for em! > > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On> Behalf Of ade> Sent: 19 February 2008 23:58> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> > Off with their heads!! And hands.> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Mik> Sent: 19 February 2008 23:56> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> > > Oh I do so hate people who are messy with their bread rolls! They deserve> all they get! lol> > -----Original Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On> Behalf Of Brendan> Sent: 19 February 2008 23:50> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> > Take a good whiff while you're at the pump, the stuff from UAE has a> distinct aroma, quite heady after a few minutes. If you partake for long> enough you'll get a chauffeured trip to FREE accomodation where you can> mingle with other connoisseurs ;)> > Would be a lot easier boycotting the financial services sector and tourism> industry of UAE methinks. Perhaps we could bust their political> representatives when they arrive at the airport for possessing> objectionable signals and wiring in their nervous systems...what's more> ridiculous, that, or busting someone for 4 years for being a bit messy> eating a bread roll?!> > > > Can't think what I buy from the UAE apart from maybe petrol, and the> > petrol> > stations don't exactly say where the fuel is from.> >> >> >> > _____> >> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]> > On> > Behalf Of Brendan Quinn> > Sent: 19 February 2008 22:17> > To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'> > Subject: [kj] OT: Boycott the UAE> >> >> >> > How about this? A man in jail for 4 years for having 0.003g of cannabis> > stuck to his shoe. Another Swiss man, 4 years for having 3 poppy seeds> > stuck> > to his clothes from a bread roll!!!> >> >> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7234786.stm> >> >> >> > And another current story:> >> >> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7253514.stm> >> >> >> >> >> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date:> > 19/02/2008> > 10:55 a.m.> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >> > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008> 6:49 PM> > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008> 6:49 PM> > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008> 6:49 PM> > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008> 6:49 PM> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: 2/18/2008> 6:49 PM> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 19/02/2008> 10:55 a.m.> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 19/02/2008> 10:55 a.m.> > > _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering

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