[kj] the essence [Tool]

[Jiri]

Ha, Leigh, it's like you've channeled my Tool experience exactly. Opiate 
and Undertow so great -- and then what? Only moments. Rehashed songs, 
made longer. I couldn't figure it out: they seemed to get more and more 
popular while I appreciated them less and less. I occasionally reached 
with hope for post-Undertow LPs, like some Outside the Gate replay, 
thinking "maybe I'll like it more this time." But it never happens. I 
hate that frustrating feeling of really wanting music to sound better 
than it is.

Then again, I enjoy Hosannas to this day...

Leigh Newton wrote:

> My problem with Tool isn't really their song titles or their cover art or even their lyrics. It's more to do with the fact that every single song sounds like a rehash of the last one. A 10 minute rehash, at that. 

>

> Leigh

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 9:37:36 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>

>

> Danny from Tool seems to be really approachable and friendly and down to

> earth, good sense of humour, he's also mega into the whole Renne le Chateaux

> hoax for some reason, and the occult in general. And an absolutely superb

> drummer. The rest of them I'm not sure, but you need to bear in mind a lot

> of what they do is tongue in cheek...half of their song names and lyrics are

> veiled references to anal fisting etc :)

>

> My little brother incurred Maynard's wrath when he yelled out at him to

> "PLAY SOME CREED" as a joke between songs...but I don't think he heard him

> properly. 

>

> Opiate and Undertow are brilliant, Hush is a quintessential rock track, I

> was actually gonna mention it as my anthem, if I had to choose one properly

> it would be that. Short, sarcastic, makes a statement, anti-establishment,

> antagonistic, explicit lyrics, all boxes ticked =) 

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of Leigh Newton

> Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2007 12:14 p.m.

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>

> I'll stick up for Queen anyday. I'm not too familiar with the album Jazz but

> I know that Mustapha and Don't Stop Me Now are both on there so it surely

> can't be ALL bad. Also gotta give it up for the rockers like Now I'm Here

> and Keep Yourself Alive as well as the more poppy, schlocky fair like I Want

> To Break Free and Radio Ga Ga. 

>

> King Crimson really came out with some amazing stuff in the 80s. The 70s

> stuff is ok, here and there. Same with the 90s and beyond. But the 3

> Belew-era albums from the 80s are really awesome. 

>

> Tool are completely up their own asses and have resided there for years.

> Opiate and Undertow are both great. It's all downhill from there. Lateralus,

> in particular, is such a shitty album. 10 000 Days has some decent moments. 

>

> Leigh

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 5:49:44 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>

>

> Well, I'm not going to get all red in the face attempting to defend  

> Queen here. Much like their US counterparts in Kiss, I heard them  

> before I ever layed ears on anything even remotely punk. Queen were  

> DELIBERATE in their pomp-rock ridiculousness, but at least they  

> didn't take themselves so dreadfully seriously (i.e. those gents in  

> E.L.P, Yes, etc.) And, they made some absolutely fantastic music  

> along the way. Sure, "Bicycle Race" is vaudevillian nonsense, but  

> listen to "Sheer Heart Attack," "The Prophet's Song," "Fight From The  

> Inside," "Stone Cold Crazy" -- they wrote some great stuff.

>

> No matter what, they're far better than Bob fucking Dylan.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Sep 5, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Darren A. Peace wrote:

>

>   

>> Good to see you timed that to cut off before the Flash soundtrack,  

>> but ...

>> Jazz? Honestly?

>>

>> Queen, to me, epitomise the sort of pomp-rock nonsense I hate. I  

>> acknowledge

>> there's a lot of personal animus, but everything from Brian May's

>> Restoration wig and stadium stance, through Mr Bulsara's pre-Borat  

>> leotards,

>> including Roger Taylor's mad ferret impersonation throughout the  

>> Bohemian

>> Rhapsody video and Deacon's OMD Brussel sprout hair repels me.

>>

>> When I was at school, there was a room you could book that contained a

>> shitty little record player. You got twenty minutes, booked a week in

>> advance, to play your 45s (wouldn't play at 33 1/3 at all, which  

>> meant that

>> some of my eps were not viable) to your friends. I always seemed to  

>> end up

>> waiting outside while some greasy fucker played Bicycle Race on  

>> repeat. I

>> remember finally kicking the door in, tearing the record off the  

>> deck and

>> smashing it to pieces against the wall. Gave him the cash to buy  

>> another

>> single (think he followed my recommendation and bought "No More  

>> Heroes"),

>> but it was enormously satisfying.

>>

>> Darren

>> Hungerford, UK

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering- 

>> bounces at misera.net] On

>> Behalf Of Alexander Smith

>> Sent: 05 September 2007 12:19

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>>

>> Everything Queen did up through THE GAME was brilliant.

>>

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